Lit Yuuzhan Vong in TCW Show

This video, from a dude who DOES A LOT of Star Wars videos, and seems pretty knowledgeable about Star Wars:




In it (around the 4:30 or so minute mark) he says - in response to a question about what what he'd like to see in the Thrawn novel) he mentions that in Season 7 of the Clone Wars TV show, there was a planned arc based around the Yuuzhan Vong.

This is the first I've ever heard of any of this. Is there any other proof out there of this? What does anyone know of this?

 

It is real not much is known except this image.



It would be a Vong Recon team in the galaxy.

 

They were considering bringing in the Vong but that idea was scrapped. Not sure it ever even got to the animation stage.

 

Did hear that the Yuuzhan Vong in that arc would be most likely be Force-sensitive but there are examples of this in the EU.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Vua
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vongerella

 

I was frankly glad they didn't do this as it would have muddled and ruined the Vong's whole characterization and background

 

It was mentioned in some old panel about the unfinished clone wars episodes.

Basically, it would have been a X-Files esque creepy mystery story arc, involving Vong scouts capturing and experimenting on jedi.

Not a whole lot of detail, though I think it was said they wouldn't be force immune.

 

Hmmm, still would have been very cool/at least interesting to see them on screen. Especially for a more kid's rated show, would be interesting to see how they would have portrayed them.

This is genuinely the first I've heard of this supposed idea.

Thanks all for the information! Where did that concept image come from?

 

Around the 43 minute mark. Dave and Pablo talk about it.

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The idea wasn't scrapped, it was just not at the stage of animation when the show was cancelled. We know at least draft scripts exist, so had the show not been cancelled these eps would have gone along as planned.

 

Like a lot of things in TCW they would have probably used the Vong but in a way that didn't fit in with legends

 

Speaking of 90's Star Wars how far along were the Yuzang Vong episodes before the show ended? Was it just an idea?

Pablo Hidalgo‏ @pablohidalgo
First draft unedited scripts. One or two story meeting sketches.


The alien abduction idea sounded great, I don't even like the Vong and I want to see it! Were they still to be "invisible" to the force?

Pablo Hidalgo‏ @pablohidalgo
No, they didn't have that particular attribute

Were they still from another galaxy?

Pablo Hidalgo‏ @pablohidalgo
There were from 'elsewhere.' So, probably. Story never got into it.

 

I'm going to say something mean and negative here, and I hate being mean&negative because I loved the YV and liked a lot of TCW, but this was one of TCW's biggest failings.

TCW had the tendency to waste time with or in episodes with something that looked "cool" but had a minimal or inane plot. This was always at the expense of the characters' stories. So many characters could have had more screentime and plot development if they weren't overshadowed by time wasted on random shenanigans with the droids, some "super" new weapon or beastie that had to be demolished, etc. Characters like Asajj, Savage/Maul, Padme, Barriss, etc suffered because they wanted to do something that "looked cool" rather than made sense for that character. This was particularly critical toward the end of the series. They managed to salvage Maul in Rebels but that was about it.*

So my problem here is that this idea came from them sitting around saying "hey, wouldn't it look cool to put the YV in an episode?" when a HUGE part of what made fans love them in the EU was the actual YV characters themselves, particularly Nom Anor. The social conflicts within Vong society and between them and the rest of the galaxy were really fascinating. Obsessive Tsavong Lah, conflicted Vua Rapuung, nutty Mezhan Kwaad, Onimi who will probably be played by Andy Serkis someday, etc etc, were all super interesting and drove the story. The monster tech was just the backdrop.

Now you put that together with TCW, and obviously they have no time to develop Nom or any of the others, especially since all the accounts sound like they wanted just the monster tech and not the YV characters. So you get monster tech taking up a story that could otherwise be used to further a TCW character's path. I suppose there was an off-chance it could be used to develop a TCW character, but knowing TCW's track record with that kind of stuff, it's probably just Anakin/Ahsoka/Rex/Ob1 fighting monsters like usual. So you loose both the reason the YV were interesting and a chance to use valuable TCW time to develop the loose-end plots that never went anywhere (or worse, ended off-screen in books like Dark Disciple...*shudder*)

*I should add: the clones are an exception to this. The Order 66 plot with Fives was a brilliant and tragic concusion to TCW's overarching clone story.

Edit: My hope is, behind the screens, they realized this and it's why they didn't go through with it. You need the YV characters to fly with them, not just the tech.

 

I partly agree one of the things that irked me a lot when TCW was airing was how after season 2 a majority of episodes just plain ignored the war in favour of resurrecting Maul, developing Mandalore etc

 

Having the Vong not be "immune" to the force would have ruined the central premise of the NJO.

And given the age rating-they would not have showed the Vong's pain obsession or religious fanaticism.

And honestly this would not have been good as it would have contradicted with other sources regarding them and confused anyone seeking to get into the NJO afterwards.

 

I want the Vong back in canon!!!

 

...if they're done right. No changes, no canonicity!

 

I'm glad this wasn't done. Especially if they removed what was essentially the main defining feature of force immunity. (And guaranteed pain obsession and religious fanaticism would not be in a children's cartoon either).

 

I dunno, TCW had some pretty heavy stuff, viscerally reanimated corpses, beheadings, terrorism, suicide bombings, sex slaves, all the stuff that happened to Fives, Umbara. It went to some dark places.

 

as stupid and pointless as this episode concept is I do like the idea that some version of the Yuuzhan Vong is still out there, poised to fill the emptiness of the galaxy of the disneyverse with the Light of the True Way... and with no Skywalkers or Solos around to meet them they'll inevitably succeed.

 

The Disneyvong are obviously what would have happened if Quoreal had gotten his way. Uphold Shimrra Jamaane Thought.

 

Personally, I am a bit surprised so many people are saying that the force immunity thing was the key thing about them. I thought it was mostly seen as a plot device to counter the run away force powers introduced by other authors - and that the whole thing was rather inconsistent to begin with, some authors making them practically shut down the force to others only giving them immunity to stuff affect their mind and body.

Personally, I think the key thing about them is their biotech and being foreign to the galaxy. Frankly, I think stories about them poking around the galaxy's edges, preparing for an invasion is a better use for them than the actual invasion, which just kind of makes them into generic bad guys. I really like the idea of them being the horror part of star wars.

 

I would have loved to see the Vong in cartoon format, plus it would have been insane to see them interact this early before the war, although as much as I agree the Vong's force immunity doesn't line up with Lucas's view on the Force, that was something about them that made them a threat. Plus that invulnerable identity about them would have given us some good context in the canon about how useful a Death Star would have been against them.

Obviously they were going to make changes but now that we have a clean slate on canon, I wouldn't mind seeing them one day in canon, but in comic or book format if you want to do their horrible nature justice than what a cartoon can allow. As ridiculous as the Vong initially were, I'll take them over bland bread Snoke thanks.

 

The Vong's force immunity was very much essential to the main plot-not just as a plot device but how the main characters reacted to it-Jacen, Luke, Anakin, Tahiri, etc... And was absolutely key in understanding their backstory and redemption.

More than that TCW would have certainly toned down the religious fanaticism and devotion to pain-that would not have gone over well in a children's cartoon.

 

If they do return to canon, I hope they maintain the religious fanaticism. It helps to make them stand out as enemies in Star Wars. While it can have some parallels to real life, just because we live in a post 9/11 world where Isis/taliban and other similar groups make the news, isn't a good reason to ignore having enemies with a theistic element in Star Wars.

I also believe that the whole invasion should return eventually if Disney feels a "Legacy" era is appropriate. A time jump where the ST cast is gone but a Jedi order exists (though still not that big).Then again if they want their to be films in the far future, sadly their is less of a chance of seeing the Vong because Disney may feel the species won't translate very well to films.

Still it's better idea of once again having another Empire or dark side faction be the main enemies again if we ever get another generation post ST.

Seeing Jedi vs vong duel in the new canon would be quite interesting, exspecially if it was allowed on screen, at least in animation. However if we never see the arc translated to animation, their should be a comics about their portrayal during the clone wars.

 

I am somewhat concerned Disney would never abandon the OT-which they seem to want to emulate indefinitely.