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Yuuzhan Vong Order of Battle (In-universe essay)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Sep 28, 2007.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    As a note, this is a pretty long document, around two thousand words, so I'll be posting little bits at a time for kindness to [my] eyes.




    [b]Yuuzhan Vong Order of Battle[/b]

    This is an attempt to establish a Yuuzhan Vong Order of Battle for the Yuuzhan Vong War 25-30 ABY. A fair amount is conjecture, true, but the aim is to create a full representation of the invaders resources pre-invasion.

    Discussions inside the NRDF just after the Battle of Obroa-Skai gave a standard deployment of between 25 and 75 capital ships, including battleships, warships, cruisers and carriers. This wouldn?t include frigates, gunships, corvette patrol boats nor pickets. The Battle of Mon Calamari made clear that these vessels spent their time docked with these larger vessels.

    Whether or not that figure included worldships or yammosk carriers is unknown, but considering no distinction was made between these ships could imply that this figure included such vessels.

    The Battle of the Black Bantha saw six Yuuzhan Vong clusters deployed, and all destroyed by the New Republic. Six clusters was described as over a thousand capital ships by scout vessels, which gives around two hundred capital ships per cluster.

    In relation to yammosks, the war coordinators, the six clusters are only believed to have one yammosk, indicating a standard deployment of 1200 capital ships to one yammosk. This may seem a large amount, but this may have been a combination of two things.

    First, the Yuuzhan Vong High Command may have chosen to grow as few yammosks as possible so as to stimulate cooperation between Yuuzhan Vong Domains, or, secondly, the creatures are difficult to spawn. Both is implied, considering the Yuuzhan Vong usual practice was to place a Yammosk in the mantel of a world - keeping it from any one Domain - as well as the obvious difficulties with teaching a creature to accept entire war vessels as family. Training takes time, as does maturing of a yammosk.

    However, this provides some intriguing information in relation to the deployment of the Yuuzhan Vong. The Battle of Bastion - as a case study - see?s a yammosk deployed, while the Battle of Borosk implies there are at least two if not three engaging the Empire there. The [i]Defiant[/i] destroyed one yammosk, and discovered another shortly before the Yuuzhan Vong broke off, and descriptions of the subsequent retreat see varying degree?s of organisation, with some capital ships working together, implying a yammosk in their midst.

    Considering we aren?t aware of the fate of the yammosk we saw at Bastion, nor whether the [i]Defiant[/i] destroyed the second yammosk, we have at least two, but more than likely three or four yammosks deployed here.

    That gives us a possible fleet size of twenty four clusters for the entire invasion of the Imperial Remnant, most of which was quite likely lost at the Battle of Bastion, considering how small the Remnant?s force was at Borosk - nine Star Destroyers of various sizes, considering the Remnant was stated as having two hundred Star Destroyers by the end of the Galactic Civil War. Imperial forces at Borosk included only four from the Navy proper, and the other five were attached to Borosk initially. It is possible a large deployment of the Imperial Navy arrived, and decimated the Yuuzhan Vong - considering how the Empire subsequently fought, it is likely. However, those large casualties would not infringe upon the number of yammosks, as the Empire had little specialist knowledge as to the discovery of those - as demonstrated by Luke Skywalker.

    These notes, however, don't include the possible deployments to sectors, which is covered in the next update. There were at most three sectors captured from the Empire, but at very least one or two - Braxant Sector and Muunilinst sector.

    These figures allow us, however. to estimate the size of the force deployed at Coruscant. The Yuuzhan Vong deploy five yammosks at the Battle of Coruscant, most of which are engaged by the Jedi wing of XJ3 fighter craft. This gives us a possible deployment o
     
  2. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    The numbers of Vong Capital ships seems to be insane. Are there any rough estimates at any period in galactic history as to the number of capital ships that were owned by people in the known regions of space?

    Let me rephrase my first statement. By "Seems to be insane" I don't mean "You seem to be way off in your calculations." I mean "That's a lot of capital ships."
     
  3. Spike2002

    Spike2002 Former FF-UK RSA and Arena Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Given the Empire's stated number of 25'000 Star Destroyers, the YV fleet is actually pretty small in comparison.
     
  4. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    Well, we've got the sources that put the number of Star Destroyers the Empire had in the region of 25,000.

    I remember working out a rough calculation of how many capital ships the entire New Republic Defense Force might have once and it coming in at several thousand. I should note that was based on the standard task force deployment and multiplying it up by the number of fleets, which wouldn't be overly accurate as not all fleets were designed with the same thing in mind.

    At the very least I think it's safe to say the Imperial Navy and NRDF were both talking huge numbers too. Clearly anyone who wants to get clever can talk about how there are millions of known worlds and how they actually are still very small, etc, etc, etc, but relative to the Yuuzhan Vong numbers we're talking about all three orders of battle are in the thousands, if not tens of thousands, so the Yuuzhan Vong numbers don't necessarily seem too big.

    Personally I'm always more interested in the size of operational units. I'd agree that the sheer magnitude of the numbers we're talking about is difficult to contemplate. The sort of things I always like to know are "how big was a task force used to defend a single star system?" and such. Obviously, short of assaulting Coruscant, it was probably rare for the Yuuzhan Vong to throw that many ships at one system all at once. I'd kill for a sourcebook which went into the kind of detail the WEG Imperial Sourcebook did about all these other groups.
     
  5. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    Sinre: Aren't there just 100 cruisers/destroyers at the Black Bantha, and 900 frigates/escorts/smaller ships? Or am I misremembering?

    And were sectors captured from the Remnant? Or did they just attack a couple of worlds? Is Muunilinst even a sector capital? It's IGBC HQ, which implies a Senate sector under the OR, but I thought it was in Braxant. :p

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  6. Havoc_Wing

    Havoc_Wing Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Wait, you're writing this IU-style?

    --HW
     
  7. Kicker

    Kicker Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Remnant = Galactic Empire Remnant

    Muunilinst = Planet in Remnant territory

    IGBC HQ = Inter.Galactic.Banking.Clan Head.Quarters

    OR, OT*? = Original Trilogy

    Braxant = Final Capital of Imperial Remnant


    "And were sectors captured from the Remnant? Or did they just attack a couple of worlds? Is Muunilinst even a sector capital? It's IGBC HQ, which implies a Senate sector under the OR, but I thought it was in Braxant."



     
  8. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    OR = Old Republic

    Braxant = Braxant Sector. The capital of Braxant Sector is the planet better known by the code-name "Bastion", which serves as the Remnant's capital, but it's not called "Braxant": its original name is "Sartinaynian".

    The rest you got! :D

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  9. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    There are twenty million ships in Known Space by Rogue Planet, a minor amount of which are warships. Registered and unregistered. My maximum estimates give the Vong 24,000 major capital ships from half the size of an ISD to double. With considerably less support ships than the Empire deployed.

    Some sources put that as 25,000 Imperial Star Destroyers, too, which doesn't include VSDs, VNSDs, Acclamators and other variants. Considering the Empire deploys around a hundred smaller vessels, per the ISB, per Star Destroyer (24 SDs, 1600 warships, 800 support ships per 'standard' sector), the minimum number of ships in the Imperial Starfleet, by my counts, is 25,000 Star Destroyers and 2,500,000 smaller ships. If we disagree over the number of ISDs, that number rises dramatically. Best estimates have 100,000 Star Destroyers and 10 million smaller ships....

    At Coruscant, we can estimate there are around 15,000 warships there, and that constitutes half the NRDF...

    The next piece talks about operational task forces per sector.

    No, I think somewhat misremembering. Tsavong Lah describes that he's lost 'half' his assault force at Black Bantha but in hindsight he may be saying 'by' the Black Bantha - including Reecee, Bilgringi, Borleias, Talfaglio, Fondor, Yag'Dhul...

    However, the problem remains in how the Yuuzhan Vong can lose half their fleet at Coruscant, yet still be engaging three thousand ships in Kre'frey's group alone - after enough has joined Bel Iblis' group that he has more ships than he started with, and deploying only five yammosks to Coruscant, yet losing a thousand ships - at the absolute minimum - to the minefield. That's the problem. There would theoretically be no Yuuzhan Vong left after
     
  10. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    Making all your figures overestimates by 900%? :p

    Half? Where's that quote? :D

    They're the canon numbers for cruisers and escorts at the Black Bantha, I believe. :p

    The "few thousand ships" Traest has left late in the battle, on the other hand, could include fighters.

    Quote? o_O

    The Moff Council is never mentioned: all we know is that Disra failed to get the battlestations moved from Muunilinst to Bastion. They may be resources that are assigned directly to Naval Command, or the IGBC may have just whipped him that time.

    Also, Muunulist has a High General in command of the defenses - a pretty unusual rank for an operational command, but the fact that there's a High General in command, rather than a Moff, Surface Marshal or High Admiral, shows that Muunilinst ISN'T a Sector capital.

    ;)

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  11. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Looks. :p

    Star by Star, Chapter 39, page 434 (paperback)

    [Discussing his disfigurment] Tsavong Lah suspected that where the alteration stopped would depend on how long he allowed the loss of his Reecee fleet to delay the capture of Coruscant - and that, in turn, depended on how long it required Nom Anor and Vergere to capture the Solo twins. With half his assault force now gone...

    This reads as if he'd lost half his assault force as of the Battle of Black Bantha.

    Point. I'll rework the numbers. :p It still doesn't work with Coruscant or Ebaq Nine...

    To quote page 516...they are a few thousand 'vessels', not ships. Vessel does not really describe fighter craft. So, Traest had a few thousand warships. And Mara describes the entire NRDF as 'badly outnumbered' a paragraph down, and at this point the Yuuzhan Vong have lost half their attacking force.

    The entire Yuuzhan Vong armada is accelerating, and a skip carrier has to slow down to drop coralskippers a moment after...

    Page 487, SbS;

    The display image rotated ninety degrees, so that the main body of the comet cluster now hung along one side and the contracts were streaking horizontally across the screen. The counter at the bottom of the display read in the tens of thousands and still rising.

    The entire armada is going at top speed, still decanting from hyperspace, and not launching coralskippers. A single carrier does so to stop Luke's Jedi wing, which until this point ran from the front of the Vong fleet to the heart. Later, a cruiser does the same.

    ;)[/i]

    That doesn't explain why Disra experienced a massive political defeat for that action. Remember, the IBGC is somewhat independent of the Empire at this time. It's possible the Chairman was the Moff.
     
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