PT Prequel's Anakin

One of the major reasons people dislike the prequel is that the Anakin in prequel was a lot different than the bad *** Darth Vader in OT. I also like RotS novel's dark Anakin a lot, but think about it. If Anakin really was a powerful and determined individual like Exar Kun or Darth Kyrat before he became Sith, I don't see how would he turn to the Dark Side then redeem himself through his son's love. Ulic and Revan were turned by poison/mind control.

 

And Ulic and Revan were turned back through love, right?

 

I think we can safely coin a new term here: a Vader Hater!

And if you're talking about the Mr Potatohead version: a Vader Tater Hater!

 

Revan was turned back through strike team.

 

But they were turned to Sith only because some plot device.

 

I know more about Ulic than I know about Revan. And was Ulic really turned for some plot device?

 

Plus Bastila!

 

Sith poison.

 

I can't say I like Anakin (the way I like Luke), but I can certainly understand him. He's made of contradictions, and that's why he's, hands down, the most realistic character in the saga.

 

I'd say Luke hands down was the most realistic character in the saga

 

Luke is a classic hero archetype. He's relatable (at least in ANH), but he doesn't have as many realistic characteristics as Anakin.

 

we have to agree to disagree

 

It depends on what you understand by "realistic".

 

obviously different to yours,

it's relative anyway.

 

yeah when I say Luke, I was using it in terms of ANH and for the most part ESB,

Han is realistic in a sense

I suppose the more I think about it realistic characters are probably Obi-Wan and Lando

I think they are the most human anyway.

Luke has the archtype Hero character

Anakin has the Archtype "tragic" character,

when I said Luke, I was dealing more with how he handles his emotions internally

and I know we have a difference of opinion on this Anakinfan, but to me (must emphasize "to me") most realistic people don't fly off the handle and kill everyone in their way (even when someone close to them dies tragically)

 

I see what you mean about the tuskens being right outside the tent, I also see that some people (well most) react outwardly in pain, I was more thinking of the "kill Jedi children, the force will be so proud of you if you do it, that you might learn secrets" --- "ok"

Obi-Wan was more realistic in the sense that he did what everyone does when we want someone to see our point of view (I did it just a moment ago) when he told Luke half truths.

I found him realistic in the PT too.

 

He follows if it suits him. Palpatine offers him what he always wanted - to be the most powerful Jedi ever - and at this point Anakin doesn't seem to care about the consequences anymore.

I also feel this was meant to parallel Vader's downbeaten attitude ROTJ. He just brings Luke to the Emperor without trying something again. It's like Palpatine has always had some kind of a spell over him.

 

Anakin was a bit misguided. I believe he would have benefited from a stronger more strict Master such as Mace Windu. I love the look on Anakins face when Mace says "Take a Seat Young Skywalker". Anakin knew who he could and could not mess with.

 

He kind of gives Mace a dirty look even as a kid.
I like it that there have been so many factors contributing to Anakin's downfall. Ultimately, the choice was his, but the Jedi Order's dogmatic approach to training coupled with their lofty expectations, Palpatine's influence and dissatisfaction with the Republic, as well as personal attachments and PTSD from the war, they all added up to an incredible pressure - more than Luke ever been under, IMO.

 

Qui-Gon made a mistake about saying Anakin was the Chosen One to Anakin. He could have known he was Force sensitive but Anakin became too arrogant and ultimately it was his downfall. Anakin was reckless. Perfect case in point when Obi Wan said to Anakin "Dont try it. I have the high ground." He jumps anyway and loses. He even almost fell off of the platform he and Obi Wan were fighting on before that last scene.

 

In the ESB novel Vader does say to Luke "I destroyed your family. Take your revenge."