ST Daisy Ridley (Rey) in Episode VII

In the film - several threads, each with a main character. I think that will triple again: Solo daughter, son Calrissians and someone else.
But I do not believe that Luke may have children - he's right to be a Jedi and remembers
the Jedis laws.

 

Sorry, but post-ROTJ the Jedi laws are pretty much useless. Luke was never told anything about not being allowed to feel love by neither Ben or Yoda, so technically he can't "remember" the Jedi laws.

If Luke were to build a new Jedi Order after the fall of the Empire, he would have to start from scratch. Personally I think this whole "Jedi-not-allowed-to-love" bull**** in the prequels was just something that GL came up with because he realized that he needed something to make the love between Anakin and Padmé difficult. It's called poor script writing.

 

Yeah. Its a shame really. If you read Rinzler Return of the Jedi book; there is great transcripts from concept sessions between Lucas/Kasdan where he is talking about the Jedi. The original concept of the Jedi makes a hell of a lot more sense than what we got with the prequels. The Jedi originally envisioned in the OT was an order that was way more subdivided. You had certain Jedi that were not warriors at all(in fact, originally, most were not); their whole existence was strictly to commune with the force. They didn't have lightsabers. They were mainly sages, healers, wizards, philosophers. They didn't have any real martial training. Yoda is of this group of Jedi.

But within the order there was a very select group of Jedi that were appointed as Knights(think Knights of the round table). They would carry out VERY important/specific missions as marshals, and peacekeepers. In very dire situations the(very small amount) of Knights could be enlisted by the republic military as vanguards/warriors. The relationship between the Knights/Sages was a major subplot of the original concept of the prequels. Causing a massive rift within the Jedi order. Thus, Obi-wan(a Knight) philosophically at odds with Yoda(a sage) when the Clone Wars was at its peek ravaging the galaxy.

Kenobi wanted to recruit/train more Jedi to be Knights to fight the war. Something that Yoda vehemently opposed. In turn setting up Kenobi to find Anakin Skywalker(a great warrior)and turning him into a Jedi Knight.

 

That would have made a great story. And it would also make more sense to have Obi-Wan finding Anakin at a much older age, around 17 and THEN have the council pointing out that he might be too old. There would have been no Qui-Gon and the story could've revolved around the trio of Obi-Wan, Anakin and Padmé. Perhaps Obi-Wan also had a crush on Padmé, which would have angered Anakin even more. Umm sorry for off-topic.

 

That's an absolutely fascinating concept. Leia could be made one of those non-knights, a Jedi who uses her power to aid her in her many duties for the Republic.

 

Yup, GL's original ideas were really fantastic. He was such a genius back then.

 

Agreed.

Its a shame the whole concept of the Jedi was bastardized in the prequels.

 

Plus, if you take what I said and watch Empire Strikes back: it makes sense contextually. Yoda isn't a warrior. He is a space hippy.

I think what happened is that Lucas(having spent too much time away from the material)forgot his own themes.

 

I thinking the original concept of Anakin was in his mid to late twenties when we first meet him(possibly early thirties).

 

Wow. That's absolutely incredible. I would have loved that far more than the Jedi Council that we got in the PT.

 

It also explains much more plausibly why the Jedi were so easy to exterminate. They weren't originally supposed to be some sort of superhero warrior monks.

 

Exactly. Everything about that original concept works better than what we got. It keeps in line with both Yoda's and Obi-Wan's characters from the OT, it makes more sense on Anakin's fall, it's also a more plausible explanation of why the Jedi were destroyed.

I wonder why Lucas changed his mind?

 

I don't know. But you can even see this concept with Luke in the cave "Your weapons, you will not need them."

Contrast that with Return of the Jedi with Luke, "Never, I'll never turn to the dark side." Throws his weapon away. Thats the moment Luke becomes a Jedi.

 

"A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." - Yoda, ESB.

Yet, here he is jumping around like a jelly bean in AOTC. lol

 

Daisy in "Youngers" - some show in the UK:

http://videa.hu/videok/film-animacio/daisy-ridley-youngers-3zb4AtOjwa2amErQ

She is very cute and charming there.

 

Daisy will play Fixer and Cammie's daughter. Her parents died when she was a child when the power converters that Luke never picked up, exploded due to poor maintenance. Luke returns to Tatooine and finds Daisy wandering the desert where, given her latent Force abilities, she has become Queen of the Jawas.

 

She is going to be the PERFECT Solo girl. I can´t wait to see her on the Falcon, with Han, Leia and Chewie.

 

I think Luke should make his new Jedi Order like this. That would be pretty cool.

Also, I think Daisy is going to do great. (terrible on-topic insert) lol

 

I agree.

They (JJ, Kasdan) can certainly go back to the original concept of the Jedi with Episode VII and forward.

 

That'd be awesome. And to keep things on-topic, perhaps Luke will be a pure Jedi, while Daisy (assuming her character takes from Han) is learning how to be a Jedi Knight?

 

Wow, this girl came out of absolutely nowhere. Talk about a curveball! Just from the little snippets I've seen she's good enough. I honestly can't see any other role she'll play besides Han and Leia's daughter. She just has the perfect look about her, and that comparison picture with Jaina was scarily similar. A little more fuller faced, but the same structure and all. With a painting made many years prior!

But, I have a feeling that she will be the lead of the movie, more than Boyega and (probably) Gleeson, though they will be just as important. It just feels right to have her as the lead, I dunno. Hopefully she does well!

 

Well, it's a rumor. I read it in some on-line article. You do realize you can't possible have read every rumor out there, right? I didn't make it up, if that's what you're getting at.

 

True but certain sites are more reliable the others when it comes to this stuff.

 

You're bashing a straw man, though. Anakin tells Padme the Jedi are encouraged to love. What's forbidden are attachment, obsession: the negative or dark side versions of real love. Lucas recently told an interviewer that the Jedi were not celibate. So Luke could very well have had a lover on whom he engendered a child or children.

 

So are you. Many define love as an attachment, which it kinda is. Plus due to bad writing Anakin was gonna get caught sleeping with Padme when the kids where born and he'd get in trouble for it, when they failed to ever mention the kids birth leading to them getting caught being married and him getting caught for that instead and everyone being all cool with the kids though. They made it out to be some huge controversy. This literally is a game of semantics due to this. And most people never seeing that interview honestly believe Jedi are celibate monks now and that upset many more casual OT fans... again many of the truths we cling to greatly depend on our point of view.

So episode VII having Luke change the old ways goes a long way to not confuse fans who don't know the subtle details like us but remember the weird Anakin/Padme doomed love that wasn't the Jedi way plot of the prequals. Plus allows episode VII's romantic love story (which it obiviously will have) to be far more relateable now to general audience which sells tickets. The subtle details, like Lucas saying Jedi aren't celibate in the Republic era can be cleared up in a spinoff movie that brings us back to that time period when we eventually get another movie there. In the mean time though having Luke allowing healthy relationships in his jedi order will go a long way to appease upset fans and allows more creative freedom for all future Star Wars films. Why tie every future writers hands by limiting the useage of one of the most universal themes in exsistance, the love story. That's literally as limiting as the EU in many respects, best just to allow Luke to allow the Jedi who choose to have a love life to do so and those wanting to avoid attachments to do so as well.