Books A/V STAR WARS: ROGUE #$^$%&ING ONE: A STAR WARS STORY

According to this logic, not liking Crucible makes the entire EU a waste.

 

Sometimes the ending doesn't matter it's the journey that took place to get there

 

Not sure if a book that left such a sour taste in people's mouths that they welcomed the EU's demise before it was further run into the ground is the best analogy.

 

Pff Crucible, everyone knows that Star Wars Legacy Volume 1 and 2 where the true ending to the SW EU and they were great.

 

Being at the Edwards panel at Celebration was, to me, more exciting than being at the Force Awakens panel. Maybe it was just because we weren't expecting footage, but that teaser was amazing. It sounds to me like it is going to be more about ground troops than Rogue Squadron, though. I guess we have a while before we will know for sure.

 

My personal EU headcanon ends with Mara Jade saying, "Hang on a minute. I'll come with you."

Either time she said it works.

 

That's the whole point.

 

Riz Ahmed now in talks for the male lead and Mendelsohn is apparently up for the villain role. Part of me hopes it's Tarkin.

 

Well I would argue that many parts of the EU were not simply designed to lead into the next thing. Vison of the Future works as an ending. The Unifying Force is an ending. The end of Legacy could be the end. Give me one example in the MCU of something feeling like an ending. There aren't any. It all just feels like it's designed to lead to the next thing. It's like holding a banana in front of a monkey and getting it to follow you but never giving it the banana. Eventually the monkey will give up and go home.

 

I guess per that perspective, it makes sense to argue that Crucible makes the entire post-NJO a waste.

But we didn't need Crucible to tell us that. ZING

 

NJO was a waste

I think that was what ruined the EU and drove a lot of people away from the books/fandom. At least that happened to me.

 

Iron Man 3 would be that. There are elements that set-up what follows but it concludes a lot of what was established in his first film.

Likewise I think that'll be the model for third installments that they do across the board.

 

...That's a pretty faithful adaptation of what it's like reading mainstream superhero comics.

Though I would argue that almost all of the MCU movies work as endings if you leave out the stinger. The fact that they set up new story hooks doesn't mean they aren't endings.

 

I can agree that the films all make an effort to carry the story forward, but I'll never get the notion that an ongoing story of that size isn't worth the trouble just because the final piece isn't great. Nothing Infinity War could possibly do will make Iron Man or Avengers or Winter Soldier or GotG any less awesome. Actually, to be honest, I don't even really give a crap about Thanos--so if I felt that way I'd have already given up on the MCU.

 

I hope at some point Thanos comes over into the Star Wars Universe for a rad crossover. I can't even imagine how much money Disney could make off that

 

The criticism is leveled at things like Iron Man 2, which spend so much time dithering about establishing broader-universe things that the story itself is abandoned.

Age of Ultron is another such case, actually.

 

The NJO was actually incredibly popular, *it* didn't damage the brand beyond a select group of fans. I'd argue the stuff that came after with the second galactic war rehash was really the beginning of the end.

 

The Yuuzhan Vong were a species rich with new ideas/technology/experiences/etc. Seeing Luke's Order facing its first big challenge was amazing. Was it perfect? Nope. Were there rough parts? Yes. But was it one heck of a fun ride? Yes. Jedi, New Republic, Imperials, Chiss, Hapans, Corellians, Hutts, Ryn, Bothans, etc all working/interacting together made for a rich experience. Nice change of pace from the Empire and Warlord of the week from the Bantam days. It progressed the character's stories instead of just destroying them needlessly.

 

I enjoyed the NJO when I read it. I didn't think I would, but I did. It's was about two years ago or so at this point when I started, which is one of the things that got me onto this forum, in fact. The series still holds up very well overall.

But this thread isn't about the NJO, it's about Rogue One. Which is sounding more and more like a rather different sort of Star Wars than what we're used to, something I'm perfectly okay with. If we see a ground-level shot of someone running from an Imperial walker and see just how terrifying it would be to have a tank on legs chasing after you, I'm all for it.

 

even when I don't talk about the NJO directly, I have that effect

 

It's one of the reasons I love having you around, DM.

 

Unfortunately, Felicity Jones and Gareth Edwards aren't selling points for this film, because I haven't seen anything that involved either one of them and, therefore, I don't have any opinion on them.

 

I kind of wish I could get a custom title like "God of Thread Derailment" or something. A pantheon needs those like a god of destruction.

 

I think it definitely shocked the fanbase, and did drive away a few fans, but it's turned out to be more well-remembered in retrospect than it was well-received at the time.
It was far better than what came after it, and the last time that the extended Sky-Solo clan and allies really felt together and all participating.
The darker tone and higher stakes were a welcome shake-up - as much as I love the Bantam era, the time was ripe for a new "epic arc" after decades of relative peace - but then the violence just kept going and the stakes just kept inflating to comical proportions.
While some of us contrast the highs of the NJO with the lows that came after, others see the flaws of it as the beginning of the 'dark times', and I can see how that makes sense to them.
I maintain that it would just have been perfect to replace the NJO with an ST - bookending the 'golden age' of the late Bantam Era and New Republic and giving several years to set up the desired plot.
Then release an 'alternate universe' comic or animated miniseries adapting the YVW.

 

"Does anybody know who burned the witch?!"

*raises hand* "No, I don't."