Books A/V DARK DISCIPLE (Ventress/Vos novel) (spoilers)

How was he supposed to take Jango prisoner, though? They were in the middle of the battle. He couldn't exactly cut his hand off and then say "Okay, stay here until the battle's over." He had to take him out and move on to other enemies.

 

Could have gone for the legs - leave Jango unable to move until appropriate medical repairs are done.

 

If Jango gets away, he gets away. He'll need medical attention so he's unlikely to cause more deaths during the battle. The Jedi mandate is to preserve life, not take it.

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But then there's the possibility he gets killed by deflected fire or stepped on by a Super Battle Droid or something, anyway.

 

Plus Jango had a bunch of weapons. Cutting off his legs doesn't stop him from using them.

 

Possible - but it still offers a chance of a live Jango at the end of the battle for questioning.

If Mace thought him important enough to demand Obi-Wan "arrest" him and drag him to Coruscant (from Kamino - a planet outside the Republic, no less) - you'd think he'd go to some lengths to keep Jango alive.

 

Hmm. Guess what made the NYT Bestsellers list this go around at #17?

http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/2015-07-26/hardcover-fiction/list.html

 

well there's 107 pages. what's the consensus?

 

That's par for the course for the EU though

 

And just how was Mace Windu supposed to take Jango Fett captive whilst in the middle of a battle-crazed arena filled with deadly battle droids?

 

kill all mandalorians

 

I'll repost what I posted 10 posts up on this page:

If Jango gets away, he gets away. He'll need medical attention so he's unlikely to cause more deaths during the battle. The Jedi mandate is to preserve life, not take it.

 

Right. And the best way to preserve life (Jedi lives) in that instance was to kill the second most dangerous Separatist warrior on the battlefield. Just letting him get away is a bad option. He will eventually recover from his injuries and be a very deadly warrior who now has an extra grudge against the Jedi. Mace made the best possible choice in that situation both to preserve his own life, the lives of his fellow Jedi in that arena, and possible future victims of Jango. Capture was not an option at that point.

Sabine objects to your plan.

 

Someone should have told Yoda that before he let Dooku get away. Dooku ended up killing far more people than otherwise would have died if Yoda just let Anakin and Obi-Wan get killed and killed Dooku.

And Mace ultimately may have chosen wrong. In killing Jango, it paved the way where all Jedi died down to the last youngling, padawan, knight and Master, with the exception of Yoda, Kenobi, and Kanan (so far)--being killed by Jango clones, no less. I don't think letting Jango go, especially once he is disarmed and in need of medical attention, would have messed things up worse than they ended up being messed up.

And I'm not even counting the casualties of the anti-Jedi rampage that Boba went on as a result of Jango's death (as seen in the Clone Wars show and maybe in future media).

 

Same here bought it the day it came out as an E-book.

 

Yoda letting Dooku flee was a completely different situation. He had to act immediately to save two lives, and letting them die so he could keep trying to kill Dooku would have been morally wrong. Mace vs. Jango had no such complications, allowing Mace to finish off a known murderer and Jedi killer. The possibility of gaining more information from Jango on the clone army had to be sacrificed to ensure Jango did not kill any more Jedi in that battle. And they would have gained very little information from Jango if they did capture him. They only thing worth knowing from him was that Dooku was Darth Tyrannus and that he ordered the creation of the clones, a fact which they did discover later in the war and which proved useless to them. Getting that info earlier would not have changed anything.

You seem to think that the Jedi killing anyone goes against their mandate to preserve life, which is simply not true. Jedi kill all the time without violating their code. And sometimes killing someone is the best way to preserve lives. Also, when in a fight for your life, you do not aim to simply wound your attacker. There is a reason law enforcement, soldiers, and anyone who owns a gun are trained to aim for center mass, not legs or arms. A wounded opponent can still kill very easily, particularly if that opponent is Jango Fett.

As for Boba's revenge, I don't think anybody could have predicted a child like him managing to cause so much death and destruction in that manner. Even if they could have, Mace still needed to end the threat of Jango during the battle.

 

I don't think Jedi killing anyone goes against their mandate. If it's done in self-defense, it's not against the mandate.

However, Jango was already down before he had his head chopped off. If Mace had no choice but to aim for the head first (missed his arms, etc), then it would be justifiable self-defense.

I'm just not going to say any more on this matter. Mainly because I don't want to get into the law enforcement argument you brought up. While it's a good point, there's a whole massive real-world debate in there that I just don't want to get into.

We have differing opinions on the Jango thing and that's fine.

 

Fair enough. Those issues with law enforcement occurred to me after I posted that, which is why I edited it to include anyone trained with a gun. I agree, that is a debate to avoid.

I just wanted to point out one last thing. Having just looked up a clip of Jango's death on youtube, he was on his feet when Mace killed him, not down. Mace cuts one of Jango's pistols in half and then a second later takes off his head before Jango could counterattack with any of the other weapons at his disposal. From the angle, it doesn't seem like he could have cut off Jango's arms/extra weapons without having to reposition and giving Jango a chance to recover, which left the head his only viable spot to strike. That's just my read on the situation, and yours is equally valid.

 

Finally finished this one last night. (received it very late from the local bookstore as there was an issue with their order...) It was, well... My mother taught me to always try to say something nice...

So, it wasn't my least favorite Star Wars novel ever written.

 

What was?

 

That's a hard one. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say The Courtship of Princess Leia.

 

Rules for Star Wars writers might be different now. I remember how Lucasfilm made Tim Zahn read all the West End Games RPG stuff to incorporate into the Thrawn Trilogy. And he was literally creating the new EU at the time with the first novel in it, but they still made him read it...

Now, it seems like Disney didn't bother giving Ms. Golden a crash course on Quinlan Vos "history"... Tholme is just a name, and no Aayla... Not necessarily good or bad, but times have changed from 25 years ago...

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