main
side
curve
  1. In Memory of LAJ_FETT: Please share your remembrances and condolences HERE

CT Do you agree with Harrison Ford's opinion that Han Solo in the OT is "Dumb as a stump"?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Darth Nerdling, Aug 15, 2015.

  1. Darth Nerdling

    Darth Nerdling Chosen One star 5

    Registered:
    Mar 20, 2013
    Harrison Ford has been quoted a number of times disparaging Solo's character, in one case calling him "dumb as a stump." This was one of the reasons he was reluctant to return as Han even in the OT.

    I've always thought of Han as one of the more intelligent characters in the OT. He's smart enough to hide inside the asteroid, he's the first to recognize that they're in the space slug, and he comes up with the plan to hide behind the bridge of the Imperial star destroyer and float away with the garbage, giving the impression they've already escaped into hyperspace.

    That's my view of him. A pretty intelligent guy. Ford's is that he's dumb as a stump. Where on along the spectrum of intelligence would you place Han?
     
    SateleNovelist11 likes this.
  2. Drewdude91

    Drewdude91 Jedi Knight star 3

    Registered:
    May 21, 2011
    Probably dumb as a stump, considering it's his portrayal of the character. That said, I personally view him as smart, but not the most rational thinker.
     
    SateleNovelist11 likes this.
  3. Rachel_In_Red

    Rachel_In_Red Jedi Master star 3

    Registered:
    May 12, 2013
    I consider Han to be seasoned and instinctive within his world of piloting, smuggling, and associated activities. Beyond that, it's hard to say. He doesn't really do anything to suggest he's stupid. He might be a little irresponsible and maybe not the type you'd want give an important leadership role, but not stupid. He's definitely clever in his element.
     
  4. Schwarma

    Schwarma Jedi Knight star 2

    Registered:
    Oct 30, 2012
    Aside from running gung ho into a room full of stormtroopers....
     
  5. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

    Registered:
    Jun 8, 2006
    First, Harrison is entitled to his views. If he isn't keen on him so be it.

    I haven't really ever liked Han in the films. The fact he's anti-faith is a huge turn off. Reactive and brazen is how I see Han hopefully he'll finally mellow in TFA.
     
  6. Rachel_In_Red

    Rachel_In_Red Jedi Master star 3

    Registered:
    May 12, 2013
    Ha! Well, he just chased the 4-5 troopers originally. He turned around when he ran into a room full of them.
     
  7. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Jan 6, 2004
    Intelligence can take many forms. Is Han an intellectual giant? Probably not. Is he a scholar of great repute? I doubt it. Is he a resourceful, street-wise survivor? Absolutely.

    Well he's survived until now...
     
  8. Thiazzi

    Thiazzi Jedi Padawan star 1

    Registered:
    Jul 27, 2015
    Han is the man. Can't believe Ford would think that of such an awesome character, but eh...
     
    Prisic Duskleap likes this.
  9. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

    Registered:
    Feb 24, 2005
    He's a skilled survivor, let me put it to you this way. From what I've seen, he's the sort of guy that shoots first and asks questions later. He may have learned a thing or two while being with the Rebellion, but he isn't exactly leadership-quality.
     
  10. JackP

    JackP Jedi Youngling star 1

    Registered:
    Aug 11, 2015
    I can't really see where Harrison was coming from. Like most other posters have said, while he might not be a genius or anything he doesn't do anything which makes him look stupid, and he's certainly streetsmart.
     
    Darth Nerdling likes this.
  11. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

    Registered:
    Feb 24, 2005
    He was probably comparing Han's decision to what he himself would've done in those situations.
     
  12. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Chosen One star 7

    Registered:
    Sep 2, 2012
    Makes it a bit more realistic don't you think? Not everyone on Earth believes in a God after all.
     
  13. Obi-John Kenobi

    Obi-John Kenobi Jedi Master star 3

    Registered:
    Oct 30, 2012
    I'd never categorize him as "dumb". He'd have to be very savvy to be a smuggler and last as long as he has against fierce opposition. Of course, as someone once said there's a "difference between knowledge &wisdom."

    And I wouldn't say Han remained "Anti-faith". It seems by the end of ANH alone, he began to accept there were greater concepts out there such as The Force that he never considered before.
     
  14. mes520

    mes520 Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Nov 3, 2012
    I wouldn't say dumb. He has street smarts, good pilot, and all.
     
    Prisic Duskleap likes this.
  15. True Sith

    True Sith Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    May 10, 2015
    I've always seen Han as one of the more clever characters in the saga, so I was surprised by Harrison Ford's comments. Maybe he's a bit reckless at times, but I'd hardly call him dumb.
     
  16. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    Jul 7, 2009
    Exactly, not to mention that there's a different between not having faith and being anti-faith. Han was the former, not the latter.
     
    MOC Yak Face and Obi-John Kenobi like this.
  17. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    Dec 18, 2012
    Reckless, yes. A poor judge of character, sometimes. Dumb as a stump? Hell, no. He's a smuggler and a fighter and one has to have some degree of smarts and wit to survive that path.
     
  18. Rachel_In_Red

    Rachel_In_Red Jedi Master star 3

    Registered:
    May 12, 2013
    From what I've heard I don't think Ford really likes SW in general. (Didn't he want Han to be killed off before ROTJ?) Maybe that has something to do with his opinion of the character. I know he's back for more in TFA, but he's also at a point in his career where he's too old for many of the standard action and leading man roles that made him a movie star in the '80s and '90s.
     
    MOC Yak Face likes this.
  19. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jan 10, 2015

    I agree. I'm not sure why Harrison Ford says some of the things he says. I usually like his comments. I remember he said that Han Solo was a "thin character" compared to Indiana Jones. I was like, "Whaaa?" Indy is not that complicated. Ford should look at the prequel trilogy, especially AOTC, for bad dialogue and dumb characters. The OT, by comparison, is much smarter in terms of writing and characterizations.
     
  20. Sarge

    Sarge 5x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

    Registered:
    Oct 4, 1998
    Compared to Obi-wan or Yoda, Han is certainly lacking in wisdom, and very lacking in self-discipline. He's a creature of the moment, not one to plan for a future that he probably won't live to see anyway. I think he relies more on quick wits than he does on conventional intelligence.
     
    TX-20 likes this.
  21. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    May 21, 2008
    I'd imagine he is also more of a creative thinker than the Jedi. Trust Han to come up with the insane plan that somehow works.
     
  22. SatineNaberrie

    SatineNaberrie Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 28, 2014
    I don't think Han Solo is very smart.

    He's rash, arrogant, and sometimes inconsiderate.
    He may be good at piloting, but he lacks wisdom.
     
  23. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    May 21, 2008
    Why do people repeat that he has no wisdom? Because he is an egotist? He knows enough to realize the run on the Death Star is a suicide mission or that Lando is not being completely honest.

    He knows more than the PT Jedi, to be quite frank.
     
  24. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Mar 4, 2011
    A study that came out last month indicates that the ability to use and detect sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.

    But yeah...Han is stupid.
     
  25. Sarge

    Sarge 5x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

    Registered:
    Oct 4, 1998
    The reason I don't think he's wise is because his lifestyle and profession are foolish: self-centered and likely to get him killed. Risking your life for a quick buck is not the way of wisdom.

    It's kinda cool, though. :cool:
     
    Valairy Scot and minnishe like this.