ST Andy Serkis (Supreme Leader Snoke) in Episode VII

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The man with Snoke name

 

Real question:
Is Plagueis species canon anymore anyways? It wasn't mentioned in the actual film, so is it in one of the canon novels? If it's not, they do actually have free range to completely change his appearance.

 

I actually had no idea people were still on the Plagueis thing. Lets just say i doubt it, guys.

 

Indeed they do.

 

Okay number 1 I'm just going to get this straight I highly doubt that snoke is related to Darth Plagueis in any way shape or form. Number two I definitely think he's going to belong to the new reptilian slash snake species introduced in the comics sorry I can't provide a source I've only seen one panel. That character looks almost identical to that Cobra character in the GI Joe movie with gold and emerald armor. But I hope that Snoke sort of stays in the shadows just like Palpatine in the original trilogy so that his reveal is that much better.

 

which cobra character? Serpentor?

 

Uber Snoke.

 

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Snoke

 

Darth Plagueis is still just a name, and a tiny bit of backstory about a Sith ability to cheat death.
His potential inclusion in the sequel trilogy always has been valid speculation, if slightly far fetched.
Really, I think everyone should hold fire until we know a bit about the extent to which TFA and the sequel trilogy references the history of the Sith.
It's getting quite boring now seeing people sarcastically mentioning "tieing the sagas together" as if that isn't still a very good point in favour of the logic of it.
(Though admittedly, the fact that it looks a lot like Vader's presence will be all over the ST makes it look less like they've gone in this direction)
Personally, I think the Plagueis speculation currently has run its course, and there's nothing to say about it that hasn't already been said. I just think there will be connections to the previous films and lore that we haven't seen before. Star Wars does seem to be becoming a more coherent universe than it's ever been before.

 

For **** sake, are people on here STILL going on about this Plageuis crap?? Pull yourselves up by your shirt collars, move on, and accept its nothing but a ****ing pipe dream. It ain't happening, it was never going to happen. Get a grip. Getting extremely tired of it. As I'm sure many others are.

 

Read the posts that mention Plagueis on this page. All there actually is is some people moaning about people mentioning Plagueis, even though no one is actively banging that drum, and then after the fourth unnecessary dismissal of a theory that no one is currently actively expressing, I just pointed out that it's still a valid bit of speculating, albeit currently not speculation worth speculating about, since there hasn't been any information that supports it.

 

It's valid speculation. Expressing extreme disapproval over some theory doesn't get us anywhere. It just makes one seem whiny.

 

People who are moaning about Plagueis theory want to get themselves on wayback machine and read 1000 pages of people saying "Naboo must be Dagobah because they're both places, and the first place isn't in the old films"

 

Plagueis could very well be in the movie...until it comes out or a full script leaks, we will just have to wait and see. What has become tiresome are the posters attacking the theories that he could indeed be part of the ST. While I am pretty sure he is not in the ST, I would have no problem if he was part of the story.

My main issue is that all 6 movies dealt with the sith...now we will have 3 more that introduce a new group(KOR). It does not seem.....balanced.

 

Valid speculation? Where has there been even the most minuscule of a hint officially that there's any substance to such an outlandish theory? There's been nothing. Nothing. Keep on wasting your time with it. It's a PT fan boy pipe dream.

 

All six movies have dealt with the dark side of the Force with the Sith not even really being mentioned by name in the original three movies. The brand for the dark side has always primarily been on "Darth Vader," not the Sith. And since Vader figures prominently into Kylo Ren's character, we're covered. The Knights of Ren can be an entirely new element because they're already tied into Vader's storyline. No need to make them Sith of any kind and it doesn't feel weird because there's a connection.

 

plagueis: the ultimate nod to the PT from JJ

 

There is nothing in the current rumors and such that says Plagueis is in it, but there is also nothing that disqualifies him.

The Plagueis theory is way more "it works in the narrative, so if they did it it wouldn't suck" than it is "Plagueis is in it whether you like it or not."

The scene in Episode III, which aside from confirmation in the Tarkin novel that Plagueis was indeed Sidious' Master, is the only valid canon material to reference here. With that said, clearly that scene can be taken both ways. Want proof of that? Look at the people who discuss it here. Some take it one way, and some take it the other.

Proving that they are using him or are not using him is impossible until we see him, or not.

Lets try something that I have suggested before:

Right now we have nothing that shows Plagueis is in the new films, so if he is not, then fine. He's not, and we will find out whats going on in the narrative as the trilogy progresses. Great.

Now lets suspend all disbelief to the best of our ability for a minute.........

Episode VII comes out and the stage is set for whats going on in the GFFA. There is a shadowy background figure that we seldom see in this film, but clearly he means something (Snoke or otherwise). I'm not going to really theorize about how the films introduce and reveal things, but at some point, be it in VII, VIII, or IX, Plagueis is in fact revealed. No more arguing, demanding proof, criticizing, and so on. He there. Big Bad, Darth Plagueis.

Within this reveal, things like "Sidious only believed to have learned all my secrets....." might be said.......

Can you honestly say that this is something that does not fit the existing narrative? I don't think anybody can.

But the prophecy? But Palpatine said...... Simple answers, that not only echo the established "SW Formula", but also continue the use of classic themes and devices to tell the story.

If he's in it, great, because it works. If he's not, great, but I hope that what they have come up with works too.

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Somewhat separate thought:

My stance has always been that Plagueis is on the table because the little we know about him does in fact work in both directions, and with one of those directions being a direct tie-in to the overall narrative to the Saga, it is the only truly foreseeable thing to speculate about in continuing beyond ROTJ. None of the information we have currently changes that. We know almost nothing, really.

 

I'm definitely not a "PT fanboy", there are things I like and dislike about it, and I'm not even massively a fan of the name Darth Plagueis or anything like that. And I'm not going to get drawn into the same tired arguments. The fact is, read the last two pages of this thread, and the only reason it has come up again is because people needlessly criticised people for holding a theory that wasn't even being mentioned.
We all get that it's unlikely. That's why we're not banging the drum for it. But calling it stupid is to misunderstand both what speculation is, what is fun about speculating, as well as to misunderstand that at the moment, there's a lot we don't know, and filling I'm some gaps with stuff that could make sense isn't really that big a deal.
So, y'know. Just leave it until there's either something that utterly disproves it, or until someone needlessly shoehorns in a Plagueis theory where it doesn't fit.

Also, from the way you're ranting and being quite convinced of how right you are and how stupid people are who don't share your view, you might consider changing your avatar from Vivian to Rik...

 

There's not a shred of evidence that links Plagueis with Snoke. There's not a shred of evidence that Plagueis is alive. In fact, his power was keeping others alive, not himself. So the "theories" have no basis in what we know at all, which is what makes them tedious to many of us here. Speculating about Plagueis is like speculating that there may be a spaghetti monster guiding all our actions: it's possible, but we have no evidence for it and no reason to discuss it.

The most recent info we have on Plagueis is that Palpatine wasn't concerned with him being alive (Tarkin).

So instead of ignoring the evidence, we should pay attention to what the new canon has been suggesting: The Imperials thought the source of the darkside was located somewhere beyond the known GFFA universe. That's where the narrative is leading us, not to Plagueis.

 

And all of the above is why the people who have theorised about Plagueis have cooled off about it. Again - note how this subject came up: not through people suggesting Snoke is Plagueis, but through people saying people will say Snoke is Plagueis. I agree it's all looking rather far fetched, and I agree that the info we have seems to be taking us elsewhere. And that's fine. But as someone said above, there's still actually room for speculation. It's all been done to death, but it hasn't been taken off the table completely. I'm happy to never bring it up again, and I'm certainly not reading into things that aren't there about it - it's just that it's a thing that's within canon that could be used, and if it was to be, could work. Even though it looks unlikely. That's all. So how about until there's new info, the people who think it's stupid can just leave it, the people who think Plagueis could potentially be in the ST can just keep quiet until some info arises that supports it, and we can just be civil?

And above all, the thing the "definitely, no Plagueis you fools" people are right about is that as we have new info, it probably pays to narrow our speculation rather than sticking to broad strokes.

 

Has this been posted yet?:



A lot of Ralph McQuarrie's early work is being revisited for TFA. The figure above is an early concept for the emperor. You could easily make the character above a bit more reptilian. Just add scales. I hope he doesn't end up looking too much like Cobra from GI Joe...

 

I can't wait to see Plagueis is this new movie. I think he's definitely going to be in it!