ST Bets! Will Finn develop Force powers/become a Jedi?

Disagree completely. He still had the courage to face Ren despite his lack of abilities at the time. Developing abilities later in no way would dimish that.

IMO, Finn is the character with the hardest arc. He begins as a Stormtrooper.... The lowliest tool of the Dark Side. Something allows him to resist and reject years of incdoctrination. My belief is that something is the Force. But he struggles with his place in the galaxy, even more than Rey. He aspries to be a hero... And not just any hero, but the kind of hero he was raised to truly hate. That's remarkable. I think the direction of his arc is spelled out. We'll see if I'm right. I'm all in.

 

And he can do all of that with out the force. Can't we just have a strong character like Finn who can resist and reject the indoctrination with out force powers? I mean it would be cool that he just has a strong will or better more morals. Why just say well he is strong in the force.

I mean real the only reason he can be a hero is because he may have force powers. You know sometimes I like heroes that don't have powers but can still hold there own against people with powers.

 

Maybe. But I personally think it would be a weaker storyline. The idea that the Force would pick FN2187, of all people, is a powerful one. Also, if Finn resists indoctrination without the force, why aren't thee others? Are there others? JJ said that one thing he likes about the Force is the idea that anyone could find that they are strong in it. That YOU might be strong in it. It's the same thrill that makes kid turning 11 hope that somehow their letter from Hogwarts arrives. And yeah, Finn's unique placement as a Star Wars character does matter here.

 

I agree.

We saw Rey's moment of glory in the very first of the three movies. I have to admit that as cynical as I am, when she lit the lightsaber for the first time it was a powerful image.

Finn's moment is yet to come and it cannot be with a blaster in his hand. ONLY defeating Kylo Ren with a lightsaber will vindicate him, and to do that he needs to learn the ways of the force.

Call it the most eastern western of all, but that's what Star Wars always was.

 

Since it has been said that Phasma's role in subsequent films will be bigger, I think her and Finn will make for a non-force-sensitive pair of antagonists. It would make sense that either of them would want to get revenge.

 

I agree almost 100% althoug i do not think he needs to defeat Ren (I think Rey will do that). I suspect he will ultimately face Phasma. I think Finn may be an early product of experiments Snoke is making in producing an Army of Dark Side users. Which could lend more weight to the Plagueis theorists, I guess.

 

Not enough.

 

Phasma is quite literally depicted as nothing in this movie. Defeating her is meaningless.

Rey's challenge will not be Kylo Ren, but it will be Kylo's master. Who else can take him on? Luke Skywalker is getting too old for this.

 

If they didn't cut SO MUCH of Finn's scenes with the lightsaber people would be more on board thinking he could be a Jedi...not left in the open like it is.

 

I think what people are trying to do is antiquate Phasma with Boba Fett. Believing that Boba Fett was the main antagonist for Han Solo. Boba Fett is not the main antagonist for Han Solo. Jabba the Hutt is the main antagonist for Han Solo. Phasma, like Boba Fett, is just a henchmen. Could they develop her character into something more meaningful? Perhaps but, my guess, to make her more meaningful you need to make her a Knight of Ren. Up her character stakes.

Cause at it stands now: She got overpowered easily by the heroes in this movie.

 

I think people need to give up on the Luke is gonna take on a meaningful bad guy in this. Its not going to happen. They may give him a little bit of a lightsaber scene to appeal to the fans. But, if he does face the any of the big villains: he is going to die.

 

From the point of view of the average moviegoer, Finn is a Jedi, plain and simple. While there is some fan service to be had, we won't be seeing Disney try to get too smart with these movies. Finn merchandise all features him with a lightsaber. It's a done deal, stop trying to read too much into this, as Disney will be catering to the lowest common denominator.

 

Finn heard the cries of the people on Hosnian Prime before it exploded. Watch it again.

 

I think we are going to see a LOT more of Phasma. If they don't give her a much expanded role in VIII, they win't paying attention. I think she should become Finn's nemesis. I think that would be awesome. She's obsessed with getting the traitor. He's focused on becoming a hero.

 

I would agree if she wasn't turned into a walking punchline. Kylo was more concerned with Finn the traitor than either Hux and Phasma, like in spades.

 

I get that, but we know she is returning, and if LFL is smart, they know the fans want to see her be the bad ass she is. We're gonna get more. I'd stake quote a lot on that.

 

That is entirely uninteresting and kind of degrading if you ask me. You don't put token characters in these types of movies. Each character a has role to fill, and making Finn a central character in the first movie, only to downgrade him into something undefinable makes him extra baggage. Recipe for a disaster. Who wants to follow a hero's journey which ends in him running again and confronting an old supervisor? And how exactly will he vindicate himself? Will they have a shoot out or something? It's weak.

As I said before. Finn's ONLY fulfillment of promise, his only true test can be to master what he failed to master, and that is glaring. He was maimed and humiliated by "Kylo Ren." Anything less than a second confrontation will be hugely disappointing.

 

I don't really agree. But having said that, i do think Finn could face Ren again, or more likely, OTHER Knights of Ren. But i think Kylo is probably going to be Rey's nemesis. I do feel certain that Finn will be a force user, however, and he'll get a chance to use it. The story practically demands it. I bet all my internets on it.

 

Don't get me wrong. I can see where you are coming from on this. It's a problem now (how far to take Finn), but only because it seems like the producers pulled out at the last second (after reading websites like this one). Whoever takes the reigns now has to have the bravery to go forward on this, because you can't have a story arc which fails to reach its full potential.

The Knights of Ren thing might offer a half-way house, if of course you can develop them into something worthy of taking down, and do that within a couple of acts. Seems difficult to me. Also it looks like they could have been something from the past, or from the future. There are no guarantees about any of this. Note that only one of them carries an ignited lighsaber.

Just can't see any way around it really.

 

Hopefully Finn is dead and not coming back. I mean, I doubt it. But that would be best.

He's not a Jar-Jar level problem. But he didn't add much. He's kind of a wimp and a waste. As a love interest he's kind of the Duckie of the Star Wars universe.

 

We will just agree to disagree here. I just don't really think he should have force powers. I like him as a character but I like him because he seems to be someone who can be a hero with out force powers. Just like Han is a hero with out force powers.

 

You have not seen Attack the Block. He is not a wimp, bruv.

 

I'm still good no matter which direction they take him in. I just want a lot more with his character than what we have seen thus far.

 

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And I think its evident that anyone who can hold their own for a any given amount of time with a lightsaber against Kylo Ren who was a trained student of the Force by Luke Skywalker and then Snoke has some ability with the Force. He demonstrated more capability with it than Luke did in ANH and maybe even ESB and granted it wasnt comparable to what Rey displayed but it was there. Kylo senses it vaguely coming off of his ship. He displayed what you can do with the Force without training. Just the bare bones. He wasnt a trained soldier. He explained that. It was all intuition. Thats what the Force IS His battle prowess in that entire movie came solely from the fact that he was pushed to tap into something latent and he later learned to trust it to rescue Rey. That was Finns WHOLE story. I dont know why this is a thread.

 

Han doesn't understand how to harness it or call upon it. He doesn't understand the intuitive nature of the living Force. Its something you have to be attuned with it to understand. Han Solo relies on a degree of intuition and luck but he has no cosmic supersense the way Jedi do where they begin to see events unfold in a strange order of occurance. Its a basic taoist principle. The foundation of many of the ideas of the spirituality in the Jedi mythos.

And you can call upon the Force. Its what a Jedi Knight is trained to do.

Finn realized like Luke first did in the Death Star trench that the Force is to be trusted. The dialogue exchange between the two was just used as an opportunity for humor. Both characters were right in their own means. But at that point in the journey Finn begins to see the Force shape his life in a way that nothing had before. Thats why hes so certain of it even if Han didnt understand.