ST Andy Serkis (Supreme Leader Snoke) in Episode VII

I really hope Snoke is going places. I was quite disappointed with him, although I know there’s clearly more to come with his character. However, my biggest disappointment with him is more superficial. I just thought his design was uninspired and incredibly generic. His like has literally been seen countless times before. Was expecting something slightly more alien.

Also, I thought the CGI to bring him to life was quite bad. It was very silky-looking. I suppose you can say that’s not a big deal, as he is a hologram throughout. I'm assuming we will see him in the flesh in Ep 8.

 

Yes its Snoke.

You know what the TS meant, nerds.

Quit being so nerdy

 

Only in the sense that the Jedi aren't there to maintain it.

No of course it doesn't mean that.

 

Reading a bit in the Visual Dictionary, there is something i overlooked before: There is information that Kylo's lightsaber design is based on the scourge of Malachor. Could Snoke be Revan???!!!

 

not even close dude. you guys are either hearing what you want to or you are tone deaf.

 

I don't think it's the same piece of music. It's similar to 'Palpatine's teachings' in that it hits the low notes that JW associates with the Dark Side, which isn't surprising, considering Snoke's character. I don't see a particular resemblance beyond this, though. In fact, there is a violin, or cello ( musicians, feel free to correct me, as I'm not sure which of the two it is! ) motif, that comes in towards the end of the track, which sounds particularly serpentine. So I think this is very much a theme for the Snoke character.

 

I don't know what the scourge is, but is it Rakatan. Didn't Revan have something to do with Rakatan culture? Since Snoke is ancient, a powerful master of the dark side, and from outside the Empire, I wonder if Snoke is Rakatan.

 

There was also information in it that Snoke praised Kylo for being between the Darkside and the Light. Could be another hint for him being Revan.

I would love to see the Rakatans on the big screen, but as they were complete Darksiders, i think it's more probable that he is Revan.

 

Any pictures of Snoke from the movie leak online yet?

As for Revan, it would make sense as to why the knights of ren looks so much like him.

 

I regret never having played KOTOR. That and not having the time to read the the third Bane novel; the trilogy that included a Clone Wars novel where Dooku and GG kidnap Palpatine, ROTS. And Dark Lord; and Snoke--I mean Darth Plagueis.

 

Especially both parts of KOTOR and the Bane novels are pure greatness!

 

He is going places. His command center is mobile so it's difficult to track him.

 

What's the bet in person Snoke's Yoda sized

 

Saying it first (without actually checking) Darth Gollum

 

I just hope he's 10 cms in height in real life .. or even better .. an actual midichlorian gone rogue

 

No.

 

So does Snoke appearing as a giant confirm that Hux and Ren both haven't actually seen him in real life as that would defeat the point of the illusion? If so that would mean Kylo's only learnt how to wield a lightsaber from the KoR (not exactly experts with it I feel) and Luke for an unidentified amount of time. Although even Luke may not have had access to a lot of light sabers and decided to train his pupils primarily in the force itself.

I wonder if this means Snoke will finally meet Kylo in person to train him fully or if Kylo is simply going to become even more powerful with the force itself. I hope it's the first one so that we get to see the shock on Kylo's face when he sees how frail Snoke really is.

 

A lot of people feel the same way. Makes me think that it wasnt his appearance they were keeping so heavily guarded.

 

according to the official starwars wiki, he is projected "several times larger than his natural appearance",
so I think that rules out him being a midget or a large giant

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Snoke

 

He's 7' 'something' which means somewhere over 7' but less than 8'.


Neal Scanlan, chief of creature and droid effects, told PEOPLE, “This character is much better executed as a CGI character. That’s just a practical reality when he’s 7-foot-something tall; he’s very, very thin.”

Not sure why his size was still being debated after the movie was released.

 

a lot of people keep posting he is a giant or a midget, I just posted some evidence.
+ I saw it twice now, snoke definitely has a nose, someone also kept on saying he didn't have any, he has one.

 

I knew he reminded me of something....


http://garysgoods.blogspot.cz/2011/10/fitting-fiction-for-frightful-countdown.html

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I've tried to compile a summary of the little we know about Snoke from either canon sources or from people involved in the movie, which hopefully will be a useful starting point for Snoke discussion:


Size and physical features:
- He's over 7' tall, but less than 8'
- He's strikingly thin
- His skin is very pale, though not white (pink and aged to the point of translucence)
- The left half of his face is severely disfigured, including a broken nose and dislocated eye socket as well as long healed cuts on his chin and forehead (implying whatever caused the damage was not recent)
- He's "damaged", which may refer to his face alone, or additional damage to his body.
- His eyes are a startling cobalt blue
- His fingers are long and spindly

Age and history:
- He witnessed the rise of the Empire, suggesting an absolute MINIMUM of around 80 as his current age, but could well be much older (the description of his aged face above implies he may well be older).
- He has a "great" awareness of past events. This includes detailed knowledge about Vader's sentimentality leading to him sparing/saving Luke's life.
- He played little or no part in the Empire/Rebellion conflict, despite his awareness of it

Species:
- He's not human, though humanoid in form
- He's not a Muun
- He has yet to be identified as any particular alien species, though most from the GFFA can probably be eliminated on appearance alone.

Plans and achievements:
- He has a huge agenda
- He's a 'long term' schemer
- He watched Ben Skywalker from a very young age, so soon after ROTJ, and lured him to the dark side
- He has had other students prior to Ben/Kylo but never any he considered to be as promising (seemingly based upon Ren's connection to both the dark and light sides of The Force, which appears to be of particular interest to Snoke).
- He goaded/influenced Ren towards murdering his father
- He either created the First Order from the remnants of the Empire, or took over its leadership after it was formed

Abilities:
- He's powerful in the dark side of The Force
- He's considered to be wise/knowledgable

Other
- He operates from a mobile command centre and often communicates with his underlings via hologram
- He's vulnerable despite his power (implied that this is explicitly linked to him being damaged)
- He has serious concerns about Luke Skywalker, particularly as a potentially powerful ally for the resistance and as an instigator of new Jedi rising, both of which are a threat to his power. He later became interested in Rey when her abilities manifested themselves.
- He seems very pragmatic and unsentimental/unemotional, in fact showed contempt for Vader's sentiment and emotion which he considered his only weakness, and described the compassion he detected that Ren felt for Rey as Ren's weakness.
- He's known outside of the First Order, by Leia and Han (the former was aware of his attempts to turn their son to the dark side), and Maz Kanata. It's probably safe to assume many others too.
- He has presumably demonstrated considerable powers in the past as both Kylo Ren (a powerful force user) and General Hux (who is not remotely afraid of Ren) seem very afraid of/in awe of Snoke

 

His age, or apparent age, is one of the harder things to pin down visually. From the movie, I can't recall whether he looked particularly old or mainly damaged/mutated. I'd hoped for official images of his final look to start circulating after the film premiered, but that's not yet the case.

Based on the art, and comments in the Art Of TFA book, he's meant to have a more youthful look than the Emperor. Of the two concept art pieces going around online, the one where he looks older is a later concept, and after its appearance we don't see much more about Snoke beyond a comment that the design was finalized once they went for a more youthful direction. To me that mainly hints that his aging look may be mainly due to damage and the effects of the dark side.

Added to this is the mystery of why they went with a CG character. It seems like early on they explored fairly different concepts (if we trust the concept art leaks from the past). But based on the development process mentioned in the art book, it only took about 2 months to finalize his look, and it was generally always the same. I know he's meant to be very tall and thin, but at least in TFA I could not clearly see why this was practically impossible. Maybe time constraints?

For possible references, this one character concept from the movie Constantine also reminds me of Snoke, mainly in terms of the face. This character was CG (but then, at that time, and still even, most non-human characters were CG). However, only last year we had another character(s) with a similar overall look from the Showtime series, Penny Dreadful. Here (one, two) is concept art of this character is similar in terms of height and build (and baldness, I guess), but he was still portrayed practically by an actor. Granted, he did not really have lines, nor detailed expressions, so maybe mo-cap CG gives him greater range in terms of that as well.

So, more than anything, I'm wondering what these design choices (youthful, deformed, CG) can tell us about this character and his potential backstory.

 

Figured I'd reply to this here.