ST Harrison Ford (Han Solo) in TFA

I am pretty sure if Disney execs did a focus group for viewers under 14 (ie., the primary target for toy purchases) about whether he should be alive, they'd get an overwhelmingly positive answer. We all know how much movie execs like their focus groups.

 

I noticed during the third viewing that he was alive for a while after the stab so he must have been stabbed in the gut, not heart. He would have died instantly if stabbed in the heart.

If he really survived (as a opposed to Force ghost appearance), it could only happen if Snope or someone else on the Death Planet kept him alive. Too hard to explain if he ended up being picked up by Chewy with no mention of it afterwards.

 

It's really funny (and suspicious) how vague they were about the saber's point of entry. I remember that I kept trying to get a good view of where he was stabbed, but just couldn't make it out. And the script does say that he falls to his knees, his life fleeting away (not dead!) and then he falls off the catwalk. That's really all we know.

Ford's IMBD has him in ep.8 and that it is filming now. He can't be a force ghost because only very advanced jedis can pull that off. Flashbacks are possible, but of what? Ben's childhood? I suppose they could use Hallmark Channel soft focus to de-age Harrison and Carrie, but how are they going to make Adam Driver look like a teenage boy? Space braces?

Naw, the man's alive!

 

The fact Leia felt it really does confirm the death to me.

 

She felt something terrible, surely, but they don't say what. Are force feelings always that explicit? When Alderaan blows up, Obi Wan says he feels a disturbance that is as if millions of voices cried out and were silenced. That doesn't sound like it's a very explicit message of a tangible event to me. Maybe Leia just felt that something very terrible happened, but she wasn't sure what. Or maybe she could sense that her son, whom she still held out hope for, tragically betrayed his father. That would be devastating, too.

I definitely think they want us all to THINK he's dead. But it's not like bringing back a "killed off" character with a miraculous survival in the next episode/installment is particularly unprecedented in pop culture story telling. In fact, it seems more like the gimmick-du-jour to me. I don't know for sure what they will do of course, but it seems to me that letting him live will help Disney in their primary mission to sell more toys. And since he is my favorite, I'm perfectly ok with that

 

Don't use IMDB as a source. Every idiot can edit it, it's not reliable. They even listed Daisy Ridley as "Jaina Solo" for awhile. As for now, we don't have a single credible rumour about Ford in VIII.

And the fact that Kennedy said that all actors from TFA would also be in VIII does not change anything. She said that on premiere day directly before TFA was screened for the first time, so she would not say "All of them are coming back except Harrison Ford and Max von Sydow", because then she would have given away that something would happen to Han and Lor in TFA.

And what some of you keep forgetting is that Leia actually sensed Han's death through the force. And him surprisingly coming back heavily undermines Kylo's character arc.

People have to overcome their denial phase of the grieving process. Han is dead. He will not come back alive.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing!

Kennedy would not have given anything away about the film if she had said:

"Most of the people you see on this stage will be back"
"Some of the people you see on this stage will be back"
"We don't know yet"
"It's none of your beeswax"

I just think her saying "all the people you see on this stage will be back" feels rather explicit and deliberate to me.
As for the IMDB page, sure that could be a mistake, but he also doesn't have anything else slated in the near future. I have a hard time believing Ford would sit on his laurels until Blade runner and Indy are ready for production, because who knows when that will be. He's getting more attention than he has in a decade, and I know he loves to work, so if he really wasn't involved with ep.8, I think you'd at least see some other project lined up for this year. I could always be wrong, but...

As for undermining Kylo's character..the opposite is true in my opinion. The OT tells the story of a father trying to seduce his son to the dark side and his son coaxing him back. The sequel could easily be about a dark son with a father coaxing him back to the light. What could be more of a "come to Jesus" moment for Kylo than his wounded, loving father offering him forgiveness for such a treacherous act. Leia did say that a Jedi couldn't help him, but his father might be able to. That would be just Byootiful- I'm crying as I type this. Disney better give me a writing credit.

 

And also, IMDB is not like Wikipedia. Any idiot can't really change whatever they want unless they are hacking in or they are some kind of jokester on the production team, or if the production team is punking the public (which happens). It's not 100% reliable because production schedules change, roles get cut or recast, actors drop out, stuff happens, and it is not always updated immediately. But I don't have the ability to make changes to someone else's profile unless I hack my way in. I can't even give myself credits that I didn't earn. Well, I can, but then the mods will come in and leave "uncredited" next to whatever I'm claiming. That's just not how IMDB works. That's not how any of this works. I seriously doubt Ford's publicist would let his profile remain with hacked info for very long.

 

Ford is generally fantastic in this.

"Yes, I do, every time!"

"Everyone is counting on us. The Galaxy is counting on us!"

"That's not how the Force works! Oh, really, you're cold?!"

 

Whether Han is or he isn't TPTB want us to believe he is dead so they would want to keep it vague on purpose. Otherwise, if they were to tip their hand too soon,the death scene would lose it's impact. I'm not arguing whether he is or isn't only saying there is reasonable doubt in my mind. But I keep asking myself "Would Chewie, who has sworn Han a life debt, really write him off without at least trying to retrieve his body even if he does think he is dead?" Chewie is an arboreal creature, so if Rey can scale the sides of that chasm, then so can Chewie. Not saying this is what happened only offering it up as a possibility.

 

We really don't know just how adept Leia is with the force. We know she felt something but whether or not she has the skill to distinguish between something bad happening or an actual death remains to be seen.

 

On the other hand, her reaction could be a response to her son's final step towards the dark side and the consequential shift in his energy. For all she was saying in the film earlier about how she wanted him back, asking Han to bring him home etc, and now she knows he's not coming back, he's not coming home, and he's not coming back to the light. I also think she's just as likely to feel a disturbance of some sort if Han were gravely injured, not specifically just if he died.

That said, I think it would be pretty improbable to bring him back. Just assuming he did survive the stab wound and the fall, someone would need to find him, rescue him and get him off the planet within a very short period of time and... nah.

He's just as unlikely to come back as a ghost due to lack of connection with the Force, so if Ford is cast in episode VIII, I think his appearance would only ever be a flashback.

 

Well sure, they have gobs of user created pages like "top 100 scary movies of all time" and "best love scenes of the 1940s" and all of those pages are definitely "use at your own risk". I suppose I could be mistaken, but it seems to me that official pages of production companies and actor pages derive their information from studios and filmmakers. This has always been my experience with the site. My legit credits have to be added by the production company, I can't just add them myself, and they are certainly not being added by Joe Schmoe volunteer in Nebraska, and I feel pretty certain that other people who are not me or a production company cannot leave added info on my page. Do you work in the industry in some way?

 

I want Han back as much as the next person but even if he miraculously survived the fall, look at what Qui-Gon's lightsaber did to the door on the trade federation ship in TPM when held there for any length of time. We can only imagine what Kylo's saber must be doing to Solo's innards. Actually let's not.

I do find it somewhat ironic that one (of many) criticisms of the PT was the lack of a Han Solo type character. Now here we finally get him back only for him to then be killed off.

 

Peace Han. His death actually mirrored Obi in "Hope" and then "Maul" in "Menace" and the Emperor in "Jedi" with all 3 of them falling down a shaft.

 

Obi-wan did not fall down a shaft. His physical body just simply disappeared when struck by Vader's lightsaber.

 

I know that. Han, Emperor, Maul all fell down shafts. That's the 3 I'm talking about. Han mirrored Obi's as in being the mentor of this film and the young heroes seeing him die.

 

This is true. And you would think with all this shaft-falling that happens in this universe that they would learn to put up some dang handrails. REALLY weird that this happens to like 5 characters over the course of the story. That's some dang lazy writing.

 

Sorry if I misunderstood your message, but the way it's worded is misleading.

 

Don't forget Luke- he fell down a shaft too and survived. So did Maul, I believe (survive, I mean, and that's after being cut in half). So that means Han has a 50/50 chance

 

All he needs is a fridge at the bottom, and he'll survive the planet imploding.

 

Ha! Nice! Or a dumpster to crawl under. Especially if it was located right next to the trash compactor that Han and Finn put Phasma in. Then she could drag his badly injured body onto a ship and stabilize his wounds in the ship's ER area (all ships have one, doncha know) and them use him as bait to get Luke off that mountain. "Dead Han" can't do that because revenge is not a Jedi ideal, but a rescue? That could do it. Anything is possible, you just gotta believe

And back to the IMDB thing, now that I think about it, I am one million percent certain that official production, actor, director, writer, etc, pages are not accessible to any unauthorized rando who wants to add something. Can you imagine how that would be abused by every actor and filmmaker wannabe? The site would be an utter mess. If anyone would like to prove me wrong, please do. I challenge you to change Ford's Ep. 8 credit to "My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic" and report back with your success (no hacking allowed!). If you can achieve this I will not only apologize profusely, I will mail you a giant cookie in the flavor of your choice.

This means that that credit is almost certainly legit, however it may not be current. He could have been cut from the episode and IMDB has not yet been changed to reflect that. If that's the case, I will shed a tear, but for now, we've still got reason to believe he's coming back in some capacity. Also, it makes the fact that the TFA production page had Daisy's character listed as a Solo particularly interesting. It could have just been a placeholder name until they figured out what they wanted to do with her, or they could be following the trajectory of the EU more than they would care to admit. For what it's worth, the script does describe Leia hugging Rey at the end as a "mother's embrace."
Mystery solved! Your welcome.

 

They MUST keep Han somehow, just for the sake of the merchandise!

 

Okay dude. Lor San Tekka is also listed for Episode 8. Did he survive as well?



Your Han is dead son. Accept it.