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A Han Solo-type of character.

 

A known criminal and drug-runner?

 

It's not a matter of interpretation, the prequel trilogy made it clear that the Jedi were a bunch of buffoons!

And the OT shows how Luke being *different* from them is what made him overcome Vader.

Shipping aside....I wouldn't expect Luke to be a prequel-era Jedi. He's not going to be sitting around telling Rey not to love, quite the opposite. This is the same character that disobeyed Yoda and ran after Han/Leia. This is the same character that SWORE there was still good in his father. Luke isn't like Mace Windu/Yoda.

After all of this, you bring up HAN?

You realize that, Finn is the character with the closest resemblance to Han Solo, right? And even if you didn't see it in TFA, this is likely the the type of characterization he's going to get in the future, right?

And I won't even get into the fact that Finn has already shown to be morally superior to Han in ANH.

 

I think Poe is most like Han. Finn is like a non-annoying Jar Jar. He's the comedy sidekick. You tease him with the girl, but he doesn't get the girl.
If anything, I think Rey should go through the trilogy without a romantic interest.

 

I choked on my water after reading this.

 

This is the type of cognitive dissonance I have talked about.

 

Had a nice giggle (If its ok for grown men to) with this one

 

Check, check, check, BINGO!

 

Do you guys know adventure time?

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erm...not at all. It showed that mistakes were made, not that the jedi were a "bunch of buffoons." Yoda is still regarded as the wisest of all SW characters, I have absolutely no idea why you are disregarding all of them like this. And I'm starting to question whether you've even seen the prequels if you bring up the "don't love" argument. As Obi-Wan explained, of course the jedi love, they love more than anyone, except that their love is directed toward the good and service of the whole universe, rather than personal romantic relationships.

As for Luke....if he is hard searching for the ancient jedi temple, my guess would be is that he is looking for wisdom there, to get back to the roots. We'll have to wait and see what exactly is going on, but I really don't see at all the movies as supporting the idea that the jedi were all a "bunch of buffoons." The jedi, even if they made some mistakes, are still the defenders and the champions of the light side of the force.

 

I was gonna make a dirty joke about both of them have purple throats...But nah too easy

 

It's not that the Jedi were all bad. They were right in their thinking - it's just that they went about it in the wrong way. They were stuck in their ways, as it were. This is illustrated in the final arc of the Clone Wars (and really just TCW in general), 'The Wrong Jedi.' They kick an innocent Padawan out of the order just because the council refuses to believe they're wrong. This is why, afterwards, when she's proven innocent, she leaves the order voluntarily. She realizes they're, sadly, not all they've cracked up to be.

As I said, the Jedi themselves weren't the problem. It was just that they went to the extremes with how they led their lives. I mean, the idea of 'no attachments' is pretty overboard. Its a one-size-fits-all-even-if-it-doesn't approach. It's certainly not a way I'd want to live. Attachments should have been allowed, as long as they were in moderation, and the person was able to understand that their duty as a Jedi came first and foremost. Does anyone remember the EU? It's no longer canon, but it still makes sense within the canon universe. Luke marries Mara Jade, a fellow force user, and has a son, and unless I'm remembering incorrectly, that never interferes with him and his Jedi business.

Case in point, there's no need to re-establish the 'no attachment' clause. It's pointless and doesn't serve the story any... not to mention, the Skywalkers have to live on, unless KK's lying to us with the 'Star Wars is about the Skywalkers' stuff.

 

I think we can all agree the Old Jedi Order went wrong somewhere. I mean they had the Sith Lord right under there nose, in the senate!!! llol

Anybody who doesn't believe this is kidding themselves.

 

Can't help you with the non canon EU stuff, I've only seen the movies. And if we're talking about forming families, how exactly do you form a family "in moderation" ? I would think any parent that is not completely and totally devoted to their spouse and their children, putting them ahead of everything else, is a pretty crappy parent. If you're out all the time serving the people and sacrificing yourself for them, you can't really do the former. You can't do both at 100%, yet both by themselves require exactly 100%.

Whether you would like their lifestyle or not, the jedi are a concrete rule-based order. It's extreme, because it has an extreme goal - to safeguard the galaxy. That's how they do things. What you're proposing sounds more like on and off duty police cops or soldiers. Which is fine - anyone who wants that life can join the Resistance or the Rebellion or whatever faction the good guys go by now. Go have the attachments there. But it'd be extremely boring to turn the jedi basically into the same thing and eliminate the different things that make them unique in terms of way of life.

 

The old Jedi order acted like completely idiots for 3 movies. Constantly doing stupid things even after sometimes saying out loud that what they were doing was stupid

 

Luke stands as both a champion of the Jedi, while also being a correction to some of their errors.

That's simply what the OT/PT are about.

Once again, Luke going back to save Han/Leia, and believing that there was still good in his father (And, most importantly, that you could turn away from the dark-side, something Yoda said was impossible), were pretty much proof that Luke was the most righteous of the Jedi, because he didn't follow every single aspect of their dogma.

Aside from that, it's clear that, while they have to respect the prequels...they also clearly realize that they must distance themselves from certain aspects of them. They aren't going to make Luke (Or Rey for that matter) another boring, emotionless, stuffy monk. He's going to still be LUKE.

 

Including missing obvious signs that one of their own was being seduced by evil.

 

Well if he's the champion of a "bunch of buffoons," that's not much of a champion I would think?

I don't think that Luke still believing in his father somehow invalidates the entire jedi way of life and all their rules and codes. Even if Yoda was wrong in that instance, I hardly see how that immediately makes all of the jedi idiots. Also who exactly are the "boring, emotionless, stuffy monks" ? Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi? I don't agree with that all.

You seem to think the characters are required to have love interests in order to be interesting. I completely disagree, and in fact, one of the more refreshing things about TFA was that Rey wasn't thrown into a Hollywood romance.

 

It's not about "invalidating the entire jedi way of life". Who said that?

And while Rey wasn't "thrown into a Hollywood romance", they are *clearly* developing these two as having a relationship later in the trilogy. I don't think a character needs a love interest to be interesting, but when I see clear evidence that there will be one, I'm not gonna deny it just because I don't want the characters to hook up. It's signaled to the viewers multiple times throughout the movie. I've *never* encountered people so blind to these types of signals in a film, tbh.

 

Finn and Rey? It is completely open to interpretation what is going to happen to them. The folks in the Kylo/Rey thread are saying the same thing about signals and clues for their ship. There is hardly any "clear evidence," there's only possible interpretations. I'm pretty sure all the creators will agree on that as far Episode 7 goes. I don't have a dog in the fight, I'm just saying if Rey does indeed remain unattached and devoted to the traditional jedi code, she will be in fantastic company with other iconic jedi.

 

Some interpretations are more possible than others....

I'll eat my hat if KK pairs Rey with the villain that killed Han Solo.

 

Lol the Reylo thing is only in the minds of Tumblrinas and some young women who has seen some kind of sexual tension in invasion of privacy. I am not trying to generalize but Kylo was marketed as a villain, an antagonist, even if he does get a redemption arc, he won't end up romancing or kissing under mistletoe with anyone lol. It's fine to ship a pairing or whatever (even though I find it disgusting myself) but if people really believe that ship is going to happen, then lmao. At this rate Poe/Rey is more likely to happen, hell even Phasma/Rey will happen before Kylo/Rey. People can and will do everything to ignore the principle relationship arc for the heroine, friendship or otherwise but that doesn't mean it's not there. No matter how much Tumblrinas cry, Reylo is not gonna happen lol. It's a joke and only has attention within the young tumblr fandom, literally nobody cares about Reylo in any media outlet, or any outlet really. Also, Star Wars is not dollar store Mills and Boon novel where the heroine gets paired with a dark, brooding villain. It's a ridiculous concept.
Like I said, people are free to ship whatever but the lack of common sense is hilarious. Finn/Rey may not be a romantic arc but it forms the core of the story and is an extremely important relationship. The whole argument about ~why can't she be single?~ is even more tiring and always comes up whenever the male lead is someone like Luke Cage/Finn so not even gonna touch that. Women are capable of being in a relationship and be a badass at the same time.

 

People say Rey put Finn in the friendzone because she kissed him on the forehead instead of the lips and called him her friend. I guess she put Kylo in the enemyzone when she slashed a lightsaber across his face.