ST The relationship between Finn and Rey. SEE FIRST POST WARNING

Well for one thing on the side with "Attachments are AOkay" we have to remember that there were Jedi that were married, Reven and Bastilla were allowed it as long as they didn't preach it. In the EU, I think there was a story in the Star Wars Tales that talked about a small subset of Jedi that were on one planet where they were married and had families, but the main council didn't like talking about it. On top of that you have the fact that Mark Hamill, Luke's actor, was practially begging Lucas to give Luke some romance.

Luke wasn't exactly a rules only sort of guy. Yoda only got six months after the events of ESB to train him and by then his main goal was for Luke to deal with Vader. I think given the whole idea of love that played a part in Luke's choices, he's going to opt for the idea of Jedi having family. There probably will be rules but in regard to family and love, having that can be a curse but it's also a blessing for the Jedi as well.

I wonder if some of the Jedi can't marry influence, in regard to the actual world building, came from the fact that Priest weren't allowed to be married because they were willing off Church property to their family rather then returning it to the church. Maybe something like that was going on with the Jedi and they created the rule so that others wouldn't give away what was, they thought, rightfully theres.

Pulling this back to Finn and Rey, I have to wonder how she's going to react to the others that he knew in the Storm Troopers units, that being nines and zeros who are still with the FO. Do you think Rey will help Finn go get them out of danger?

 

I'm sure that, like in the film, Phasma will do nothing in the relationship either...

 

Actually Poe is closer to Han in the "Rugged leader" type ability in piloting, but he has more of Leia and Luke's personality, I would swerve more on Leia's confident natural leader type personality with Luke's friendly nature and honesty, and Leia's all good if there is light. Also seems to have a bit of Han and Leia's wit there.

Finn is closer to Luke in the "Young buck" type physically, along with his not knowing how everything works and excitement. He's willing to help, another Luke aspect, and seems to have Luke's type of wit as well, with a slight bit of Solo's wit mixed in there.

Poe doesn't = Han though as he doesn't share Han's more pessimistic look on life, and Finn doesn't = Luke as he doesn't share Luke's belief in selfless actions, not saying he's selfish, just that he thinks more like Han in that he goes for what he wants first and then will help others out. Where as Poe is more the help others first my life be damned if I can't save others before saving myself. Rey is somewhere between Leia and Luke, with a bit of Obi Wan thrown in there in regard to the more sarcastic aspects of him, maybe some Anakin dashed in there. Ben seems to be on the fence like Rey, you have a very dry sense of humor that pokes at others, ala Loki (He'd probably be the first to give a warning out to a storm trooper after the guy has nearly walked into a door frame), but he also seems to have inherited his mother's and father's charm and Leia's more sarcastic side. Don't know if I see Any Luke in him at all.

Oh Finn is certainly the morally superior, it's just interesting that people are trying to play connect the dots and match beat per beat of the characters and really they all have contributing factors to all of the characters in their personality. So you'll see Han and Luke in Finn, but you see Leia and Luke with a dash of Han in Poe, and All three of them in Rey, with Han and Leia in Ben. Kind of Clever actually.

 

When people say Finn was "friend zoned," that seems to be an admission on their part that there was a romantic something going on somewhere. If there wasn't, wouldn't being Rey's friend just be business as usual and not worth even mentioning the friend zone thing? The whole idea of being friend zoned seems to suggest that someone wanted someone else romantically.

From the viewpoint of simple storytelling, if Finn wanted Rey in that sense, and did all this stuff for her, and even nearly got killed for her, then that eventually has to come into play in the story somehow. Either he gets Rey at some point, or his "friend zoning" is a major factor in the story and his arc. Whatever happens, I don't think we should expect the film makers to just set all of that aside.

It's my belief that what we're doing now is exactly what the film makers want. They want us uncertain, they want these conflicting views, they want us debating, and so on. It keeps us deeply invested in what will happen, and makes us want to come back for the sequel all the more. In other words, I think Finn and Rey's relationship was left intentionally ambiguous at the end of the film, and it can go different ways.

 

The bolded is pretty much what I've been saying. Luke is undoubtedly different from any Jedi that came before him. Luke is *special*. He proved that the bureaucracy of the prequel era Jedi is what lead to their downfall.

In regards to your question...it's hard to say. I definitely don't think that Rey is going to be involved with trying to free ST.

Honestly, I kinda don't think that Finn is going to be tethered to the ST either. I feel like the fandom right now has latched onto this idea that "Finn is going to lead missions to free his fellow troopers", but the movie doesn't really make a big issue out of the fact that he left the FO. Hell, one of the critiques has been that "Finn killed his former brothers too quickly!" I personally think that Finn is a one off, him leaving the order is what makes HIM special. I expect the troopers to remain nameless baddies for the rest of the trilogy.

 

Anyone who doesn't think a Finn / Rey romance is at least possibly on the horizon wasn't paying attention or just doesn't want it. It's possible they go another way with it, but c'mon! So many scenes in the movie implied the future romance.

 

I agree. I've said in a few topics that the whole "This character is the BLANK of the trilogy" is really not where they were trying to go in the first place.

Really, the only use for character comparisons at this point, is a quick short hand way to draw some sort of narrative/characterization connection between them, but that's it. They *clearly* are not meant to be some sort of embodiment of the old characters, nor should we expect their arcs/storylines to match the originals in any substantial way. Hell, we don't need a "new Han" or "new Luke"....Han, Luke and Leia are (Or, were in Han's case) IN THIS TRILOGY. Rey is Rey. Finn is Finn. Etc.

However, having said that, there is one thing I would like to point out : Poe's piloting skills aren't really a call-back to anything Han did anyways. Han wasn't a fighter pilot, he never flew an X-Wing....his great piloting came as a result of his cunning and bravado, not from his ability to shoot down Tie-Fighters or make trench-runs. If you want to include "piloting" as some over-arching skill, sure, they share that, but Han was more about using his smarts, while Poe/Luke are just good pilots. Nuanced difference, but not an insignificant one.

 

Although there's some indication that he might have a few members joining him. Slips was also one who didn't really like the whole situation, he's the guy that died. Also you can't really ignore the idea of Rex and the clones either.

 

Im kinda interested in seeing what Disney plan for the Skywalker Family and Future new Jedi. Because didnt they state each new Star wars film would have a Skywalker in it?

Especially if Rey is a Skywalker, and in a relationship with Finn. That automatically makes the New Jedi Order ok with attachments. Also Mixed-Skywalkers would be Awesome

 

Just diverting to being utterly superficial for a little while - Wow! - I hadn't seen how much older Daisy and John can be made to look ... this is how I want to see them in VIII and IX ... different abilities/talents/motivations but standing alongside each other in mutual respect.

 

One of the things that I've noticed about Daisy is that she can look quite different depending on what outfit, hairstyle, clothing, makeup, etc she's wearing. She doesn't really look like Rey in the above photo for example, and I've seen her look quite different from the above photo in other ones as well. Also her posture, facial expressions, etc play into it.

Boyega tends to look the same for me, although perhaps his posture, body-language, etc can make him seem more or less mature, depending on the situation.

 

Yep. I think I am so used to see a behind the scene, very young looking, Daisy, that I was a bit thrown out by the last pic. THIS is how I imagine a fully trained, kick ass Jedi Knight (and her * ahem * "friend" ) would turn up to kick Ren's proverbial ass in VIII and IX.

Make-up and stylists do magical things in Hollywoodland, for sure..

 

It's a great pick of two awesome friends/partners/whatever you see them as being ready to face down anything. I can't wait to see what they do with them and the others that they're bringing in, because it would be lovely to see how their separate friendships could effect their own friendship in regard to where they will stand by the end of VIII.

 

Yeah, I remember when Jar Jar was being teased with Padme. The implied sexual tension between them was tremendous.

 

"What's your hurry, thief?"

The force brought them together under the strangest of circumstances! Finn is questioning just who the hell is this Warrior Woman, and she's wondering why the hell this thief is wearing a jacket that BB8 claims belongs to its master!

"I've never met a resistance fighter before."



Think fast Finn! This Warrior Woman doesn't play games and you'd better have an explanation! Hmmm...she thinks he's a resistance fighter...and she looks at him like nobody ever had before. Rey is impressed, and Finn has never felt respected like this before.

"They're shooting at both of us!"

But before they've even had time to fully introduce themselves... these two individuals, that barely even know each other, are already together on a collision course with their own destinies!

"Are you okay?"

The first time anyone has EVER cared about her well-being! She doesn't even know how to react. Why does this boy care about me so?

"Follow Me!"

Finn is a little condescending..but he CARES. Rey will NEVER need Finn to hold her hand, but she's more than willing to offer her own to help him!

"Are we really doing this?"

Just met...and already working together like a true team. Our dynamic duo has clicked in battle before they even know each others names!

"How did you do that?"
"I don't know!"

The jubilation, the trust, the respect, the FEELS! This moment was special not only because of the camaraderie...but because it was so SPONTANEOUS. They didn't plan on having some little celebration together, they just did it without thinking.

"I don't know your name...."

Now that things have settled down for a moment, we can finally have a proper introduction!

The look she gives...

Finn is still hiding things from her....but she's already opening up. She's starting to like this boy..and he her.

"You got a boyfriend? Cute boyfriend?"

But she still has something holding her back...her family left her on Jakku, and that's where she thinks she belongs...

"So I ran...right into you."

Alas...Finn's dishonesty has finally caught up to him. He must confess to Rey that he's not who she thinks he is...but instead, is a fleeing Storm Trooper. Come with me he asks. Don't go she pleads. But it appears that Finn has already made his mind up...

"Rey!"

Oh no, it can't be! This vicious, evil monster in a mask has captured Rey! Finn, who had decided that he was finished with the war, finished with the FO, and yes, finished with Rey...is now faced with the choice of either caring about his own well-being and fleeing....or going to the one place in the entire GALAXY where he does not want to be...to rescue Rey!

"He said it was your idea."

What is this? What! Is! This?!?!?! Finn has actually risked it all, and CAME BACK for Rey! Unlike her family that abandoned her on Jakku, Finn has done the only thing Rey has ever wanted anyone to do....he came back for her! This is the moment when both characters have fully accepted one another, unconditionally.

 

Finally, the completion of our arcs :
"Come and get it!"

Finn is willing to RISK IT ALL to defend Rey! This man who has been skittish throughout the entire film is now willing to stand up to the one man he fears more than anyone. If that's what it takes to protect Rey, then he's willing to fight!

"TRAITOR!"

Finn, courageous as he was...is no match for Kylo Ren....

"The force...."

....but there is someone who is! She said she was NEVER touching that lightsaber again....but Finn fought to save her...now it's her turn to RECIPROCATE the sacrifice!

"Finn!"

Rey has BESTED Kylo Ren...but the cost has been dear. Oh no...Finn may not make it...

"..."

....but she wasn't going to leave him! Finn, the only person who has ever come back for her, she'll stay by his side no matter what. They are ride or die!


Our bittersweet goodbye :
"We'll see each other again..."


One of the most tender moments in all of SW history...and also one of the saddest. Rey truly cares for Finn, and even though he can't communicate with her, she knows that he feels the same way. But the force is calling to her...and for now, their journey must come to an end.

Our heroes must part ways. But fear not, because they are going to see each other again...I believe that!

Thank you, my friends.

 

Maaaaan,
I thought I was done spending money on this movie.
But this post has me buying a matinee ticket.

 

I've had my fill for now, but can't wait for the bluray. Hope to see these gifs back in higher quality.

 

I think their relationship was so well developed that it's easy to forget that their entire relationship took place over a couple of days. If you think about the factors surrounding the friendship, it shouldn't work. Yet somehow it does.

 

Whether it evolves into a romantic relationship or not, a strong bond of friendship was most certainly conveyed. Given Rey's circumstances, Finn was likely the very first person to treat her with genuine kindness since she was abandoned on the Jakku.

Rey had learned the hard way that she had to depend upon herself to survive. So it was quite natural for her to bristle with "Stop taking my hand!!" when Finn tried to protect her. But when they were both knocked down from the bomb blast, Rey was the one offering her hand after she saw from Finn's reaction that he was genuinely concerned about her welfare.

That forged a bond that was only strengthened when she learned from Chewy that it was Finn's idea to rescue her.

 

it was definitely one of the most genuinely formed bonds especially for the short amount of time it took. both characters had made a 180 degree turn by the end of the movie in terms of their characteristics.

finn went from I need to get out asap even to the point of leaving rey behind. but ultimately he decides that he would rather protect/save/search for rey even though it meant going back to the thing he is running from.

and then there is rey. her whole life she has been on her own. yet by the end she seems to have accepted that she is no longer alone.

 

Hey y'all.

Been lurking for some time now, watching this discussion with GREAT interest. I have some thoughts. .

IMO, the characters of Rey and Finn were the emotional nucleus of the movie, as they should have been, they were marketed and promoted as the leads. If you aren't invested in your leads the story suffers, as the PT demonstrated by the *ahem* less than than stellar chemistry between Hayden and Natalie. Whether you want to lay the blame at the feet of the actors, the script, or GL's direction, fact is that many of us, even knowing the eventual outcome, never felt the empathy we should have for their relationship and the absolutely tragic results. Padme dying after giving birth. Anakin himself almost killing her, ultimately getting horribly disfigured and thus becoming Vader.. all that should have been absolutely horrifying. And yet the general consensus is that it was a device, a means to get us to Luke and Leia and Vader eventual redemption. But the situation itself felt emotionally hollow.

In contrast, Finn and Rey, even at this point where their relationship is still being defined. . Man, I FEEL for these two. I want the best for them because they feel like two very human very real people, albeit in a fantastical setting, who are trying to figure out who they are and where their path lies. But that's only half the equation. The other element is the ridiculously good chemistry they share that just happens, like lightning in a bottle. And yeah I'm not shocked at all it carries offscreen. Bottom line is to me, they are at their best, their most fun, their most heartfelt, when they are sharing the screen together. And I know many of you share that POV. I'm pretty confident RJ has a great arc for them both which has then back together in a meaningful capacity. Does that mean romance? Very possibly. I think it's telling that of all the speculated "ships" Finn-Rey seems to be the most natural and dare I say it, healthiest.

OK, so a couple other things, lol this is already longer than I intended. The rumored actress reading with JB could be alot of things as others have said.. maybe a resistance squadmate, a relative of some kind.. maybe it IS a love interest but a temporary one? Point is we just don't know right now. Hell maybe she ends up digging Poe, apparently the actresses in question are all 30ish so that would make perfect sense age wise.

Lastly, the alleged "friend zoning" of Finn has been way overblown I think. Some seem to forget that these are two young people completely uninitiated with romance. It's perfectly normal for Rey to call him "friend " because that's the only context she is familiar with. She may have never even kissed a boy before, for all we know. Finn seemingly knows a bit more, but he's obviously awkward and weird around her because he's probably been conditioned to not feel attachments and yet he does, very strongly. And I don't think I need to explain all the visual cues that there's something deep between them, others on this thread have provided that proof quite well Honestly, I think the indication that she's going to be a Jedi and do Big Jedi Things lead many people to believe that she's locked into the Hero's Journey track and cannot deviate for attachment, because of course that would destroy the traditional narrative, and oh noes we can't have that!

So, yeah.. this trilogy was marketed as a journey these two characters go on together and even if they spend some time apart, ultimately it's their story and their bond at the core of it.

Rant over lol...

 

"I like this kid."
Welcome

I think some people would dislike this relationship exactly because of Padme/Anakin. That memory is still very fresh.

 

Hey thanks! !

I have to say I had trepidation about posting. . Message boards tend to be tight fraternities at times and I've had less than great episode or two in other forums.

Anyways, yeah, I get the sense that potential SW romances after Anakin-Padme get a lot of side-eye. But seems to me they're developing Finn-Rey properly, even if it's not obvious. There are still two movies to go.

BTW I apologize if I'm repeating points already made ad nauseum but at least they're my nauseums too

 

Ahah, just read the first post to get to know the rules and you'll be fine. We're all civilized people here

I think althought Padme/Anakin are the reason for fear, they are also the reason why we are getting this relationship slowly this time. I believe whoever is in charge of this trilogy did his homework and found a way to keep it balanced. They are both pretty much warriors and friends first and I doubt either of them two will turn into a Padme.