CT This this this! 4K Original Restoration Technicolor

Why would you downsample them to only 1080p? That's exactly what George Lucas did with his bad 2004 masters..

 

ZodaEX - Blu-ray disc has a maximum resolution of 1920 x 1080p pixels.

But usually if you downsample from 4K scans to 1080 you get a better picture than merely converting from a 2K scan to 1080.

And the 2004 masters are "bad" because according to an employee at Louwry Digital George Lucas constantly intervened and told them how to do it.

One particular example was the ANH trash compactor scene. Lucas really insisted that it had too be darker than seen on screen, because that's what he supposedly and originally wanted.

 

Any movement towards a 4K 3-D format? We recently saw this for Predator and it was kind of amazing. The three-dot laser seemed to come right out of the TV, and even Dutch's celebratory tobacco spit in the intro was 3-D. The whole time I kept thinking I should be watching the ROTJ fleet battle like this.

 

Of course, all of this is moot if you don't have a screen that has the resolution to support 4K. I mean, I can watch the video, and I'll see the differences in tone, lighting, and all that other jazz between this guys edit and the BluRay, but I'm not gonna get the 4K quality on my 1080 screen, and anybody else who has a 1080 screen isn't going to get the quality either.

 

As many people have said, that going to 4k won't result in a huge difference for most people. Most people don't even 4k TV's or players.

Also, the file sizes and equipment needed for a 4k workflow are much higher than for 1080p HD.

You can for yourself, download some of the 4k image scans, and scale them down, and see how much of a difference you notice.

It's good to preserve the scans if we need them for later use, but currently it's not practical.


Team Negative1

 

Please, by all the gods, no! This 3D thing is awful, adds nothing, it's distracting at best. TFA is SOOOOO much better in the 2D version than the faked 3D. The faked 3D is so poorly done.

 

lol.

 

To be fair, videos shot in real 3D, with two side-by-side cameras do look a lot better than the faked 2D-3D conversions (which TFA is). When you know what you are looking at, the faked 3D falls apart. It's like seeing the matte lines around pre-CGI opticals, if you know what to look for, it's all you can see...

 

HERE’S A VERY EARLY SAMPLE FROM ONE OF THE LPP VERSIONS:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3o6u2r

Password : OT


http://i.imgur.com/ZUtFQEx.jpg

NOTE:

No color correction
Minor cleanup
No stabilization
Temporary Sound

Team Negative1

 

I can't really notice a difference on a TV for anything above 720p. But I do watch movies on my monitor with my face closer to the screen.

 

Harmy will be releasing a Grindhouse version of the original Return of the Jedi, based on a 35mm scan soon, it will be 1080p.

He has also released his Despecialized Return of the Jedi 2.5, which has some scenes from the 35mm scan, it is 720p.

Team Negative1

 

The 35mm Grindhouse version of Return of the Jedi is now available.

This means, that all 3 films are now available as film scans.
- Star Wars Silverscreen 35mm
- Empire Strikes Back Grindhouse 35mm
- Return of the Jedi Grindhouse 35mm

Star Wars is not Grindhouse, as extensive cleaning has been done it.

There will be restored versions of the other 2 movies, also, along with a Technicolor Star Wars print.
Future releases will include all 3 special editions from film, along with the Prequels.

Team Negative1

 

Articles about these projects:
http://moviemezzanine.com/the-fans-who-saved-star-wars/

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/16/star-wars-restore-1977



Team Negative1

 

"A representative for Lucasfilm declined to comment." That's interesting. The company has had no official stance on the OOT since Disney acquired them (over three years ago it's been), and this to my knowledge is the first time anyone has actually brought the question up. And they declined to comment. Why, exactly?

 

so the Team Neg versions use the original prints only; whereas Harmy uses a variety of sources, including the Blu-Ray ?

 

Correct.

Team Negative1

 

No offense to those who remaster, but I don't get why they do this. Accept the lucasarts teams. There's nothing wrong with the official releases, I don't know why random people think they can do it better.

I've seen people like harmy do remasters of their own and say the blu ray was bad.....but then their version isn't anywhere near as good.

You can't complain about the darkness! It makes no sense! Look, the PT was bright because it was a peacefull utopia era before the dark times! But Lucas PURPOUSLY made the OT dark and dreary. He broke the norm of sci fi futuristic movies having the future bright and beautiful. It's supposed to be dark in episode 4-6. It's not a quality thing.

People make things to bright now a days....I mean look at cartoons from the 90's and look at em now. Regular shows colros are so bright and painfull on the eyes along with Clarence and all these other digitally colors 2D shows. But when their was animation cels the colors weren't so bright. Don't make star wars painfull on the eyes too.

There's a reason the lights are pink in the blu ray...BECAUSE THEY"RE SUPPSOE TO BE PINK! Remastering it to get rid of one of the colors is really silly. You made it all brighter and not what the creator wants it to look like. It's all just silly to me.

 

Pancellor Chalpatine: The movies looked a certain way for 20+ years until the 2004 DVDs altered the color timing and the contrast, among other visual changes. The people doing these restorations want the versions of the movies that played in theaters, that we fell in love with originally. Hope that makes sense.

 

I COMPELTELY understand that. I spent nearly 100$ to get myself the theatrical versions of the OT on DVD...but...you know, maybe they should just get the DVDs? These remasters aren't like the theatrical versions really. It's just making things brighter. What you're thinking of is despecializations,which I think is done by trolls....either that or people who don't know about how the OT is on EVERY format accept digital and blu ray.

 

1. LucasArts is a defunct video game company, not sure what they have to do with anything.

2. The Blu-rays look bad. They're just bad transfers. Shots are actually out of focus when they're not supposed to be, for instance. Colors are just completely wrong. They were boosted so heavily that there are specks of blue in Luke's white shirt, or the lightsaber is the wrong color during the training scene in the Millennium Falcon, or the cores look completely off in the duel aboard the Death Star II. The colors are just flat out wrong.

3. Yes, I'd say that some stuff, like Harmy's work, is monumentally better. Just ignoring the facts that it restores the original effects work, the films just look better in terms of having their original colors intact, or as close as Harmy could get them. The Blu-ray colors are not remotely how Lucas originally intended the film to look, or it would have looked that way to begin with. The fact is, he wanted to "modernize" the look of the film. James Cameron did the same with Aliens. The Wachowskis changed The Matrix to look more like its sequels.

4. You actually can complain about darkness because you can't see **** in shots that were supposed to be filled with detail. The films were not dark and dreary, they were dirty and grimy. There's a profound difference between the two.

5. No, not everything was supposed to be pink. Certain explosions, for instance, used to look like actual fire. They now look like candy nightmares.


Also, no, maybe they shouldn't get the pathetically low quality DVDs that were released ten years ago that were taken from Laserdisc transfers from 1993. Maybe they shouldn't have to spend $100 for such a piss poor quality product that's not even still in print. Maybe, just maybe, the films should actually get the respect they deserve as highly influential, culturally important pieces of cinema. And I have no idea why people that care more about the historical importance of these films than their own creator should be labeled as "trolls," by the way.

 

You seem to be unaware that the 2006 DVDs are ports from the 1993 laserdiscs. They're not anamorphic, meaning the picture becomes even more pixelated and blurry when you choose the format that brings the picture to all sides of the viewing plane. They have very poor visual quality.

 

They're letterboxed, but they're the COMPLETELY unalterted ports of the theatrical versions people whined over. I wish I had it full screen sure, but the quality is fine .it's like complaining you have 720 instead of 1080. People who think it's unwatchable make me feel bad for their first world problem. We need the theatrical version full screen and all, but you should just port that to full screen somehow, not edit up the blu rays. We'll get the OT theatrical release in the next 5 years when fox loses the rights to ANH at the latest.

 

Placing "COMPLETELY" in all caps doesn't make your argument any more persuasive. Just because you personally cannot see the difference between a 1993 laserdisc with a blurry, pixelated picture (especially in the sand or snow of Tatooine or Hoth) and full HD doesn't mean that other people cannot. If every topic on these boards or in the entirety of science fiction fandom had to pass some kind of "first world problem?" acid test, then the entire internet would shut down inside of five seconds. The negative1 project is scanning an almost pristine print of the original film, not "edit[ing] up the blu rays", whatever you might have meant by that. Hope you're right about the upcoming release. This project is for now.

 

Pancellor Chalpatine
Do you actually know what Harmy's versions and the Team Negative-1 restorations are? Because it sounds like you have some kind of misconception. They're not trying to make the films "better" or simply "brighter". The purpose of those projects is to present the movies as they were in theaters. Harmy's is based on the Blu-ray, but with other sources spliced in. Team Negative-1's is an actual 35mm film scan restoration. It's fine if you don't like them because they're "too bright". But those colors are the way the films looked in theaters (based on actual 35mm film scans from 1977-1983). Even the 2006 DVDs don't have accurate colors (among many other problems they have).

So the demand for these projects comes from wanting to see the theatrical versions of the films in a high quality and with accurate colors. No official release thus far has accomplished this.

 

No it doesn't, but it does point out the obvious fact that Lucas did exactly what people wanted. Sorry that went over your head :3