ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Aight it's kinda bollocks how the list stopped halfway through. Also kinda lame how guys who had a crush on Gadget are criticised but Goliath makes the list. A lot of guys like smarts girls with engineering skills...just saying.

 

I was also found that really weird! You would think someone who has actually murdered etc. would most likely acknowledge that they do in fact murder. Like some drug cartel dude will probably admit that what they do is murder, but it seems like that with his statement, he's separated from that? He sees the people we view as good, well bad. I wonder what made him think like this.

 

I know what you mean.. You should put the link on "Rey's lineage" topic, It will give something to chew over

 

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3751062

Someone else sees the Darth Revan parallels. This writer thinks they may end up being cousins, though.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3740353

This article also mentions Darth Revan and Kylo being a gray Jedi, and Rey being a Kenobi.

 

I'm heading there right now.....

 

Maybe that murder is something that marked him deeply. Indeed, Luke could perhaps kill someone important to Ben (who knows, maybe the mother or the father of Rey?). A person who had the sympathy of Ben but betrays Luke.

 

this is mostly bollocks (are you allowed to use that word on here?) but i like the biblical reference. i think it is likely luke didn't want to share knowledge of the dark side because he was afraid of it, feng shui or something.

i don't think the mask itself is corrupting him. i think it has a hold on him because he hasn't got anywhere else to go with his fears and worries. it doesn't need to be magical and addictive as well.

but i liked th earlier point about him not even confiding in snoke. there is a wedge there as well.

 

that's very dark.

i'm thinking more a misunderstanding (of what kind?) that looks to ben like a betrayal of luke's values... and he feels alienated again.

 

Yeah it's not very happy.. But if Kylo doesn't refer to the murder of Darth Vader, what was he referring to?
But as said before, the most likely explanation is that Ben holds Luke responsible of the death of his grandfather.

 

Varouneire - when is he referring to vader's murderer?

yeah... i think the only hole i can pick into that is why would luke not come out and tell him the whole story? i think luke is fairly emotionally astute. if ben asks him about it, why be cagey? and if he isn't cagey, why would ben misconstrue this? unless he is being manipulated.

but that's gotta be done in a way that allows him to not only not confront luke about his suspicion but also really trust the other source.

 

Making Rey and Kylo Ren a couple is Disney/LF pressing the self destruct button. It would DESTROY Rey's character and the series itself. Reylo - aka SaveAndRedeemPreciousDarkPrinceKylo - would render Rey a pathetic and misguided plot device. Kylo's a vile person(and I love him as a villian for that) and Rey knows that first hand.

Rey needs to train so that she and Luke could kick Kylo and Snoke's asses, not daydream about what a deep and complex man Kylo is. Similarly, Kylo should train so that he and Snoke could show Luke and Rey what bad asses they are, not yearn for the girl who made him feel the 'light'.

This is not Beauty taming the Beast, this is more like Frodo destroying the ring, or Harry facing Voldemort (and no, Harry and Vold didn't make a 'potentially romantic connection' when Voldemort left him that scar). If you want Kylo redeemed through romance, leave Rey out of it. I think our hero's got better things to do.

It's not that I don't like a love story (Han and Leia are awesome), it's just that I HATE the very thought of this one.

 

As someone who has been heavily involved in shipping in large fandoms, a lot of this doesn't surprise me in the least. Fandom arguments can be legendary, add in shipping and it exponentially increases.

It is really amazing though how little changes between fandoms though- like this is almost exactly how my experience in the Naruto fandom played out with my Naruhina shipping vs Narusaku shipping-complete with claims of 'delusional fangirling'. It wasn't the pairing itself that drove me away from it, but the fans.

Oh well, I know how that ended:

Spoiler

 

I think Ben's turn to the dark side will be similar to Anakin's: rooted in love, but then totally corrupted. Andd lots of insecurity to go around

 

He doesn't referring to it specifically but when he says to Rey "Traitors, Murders and thieves", I felt it could refer to a particular death (and what else than Vader's death?).
I agree with you, Luke certainly told the truth but Snoke may have changed the story, pretending that Luke lied.

 

'Murderer' from Kylo's perspective could be either Finn, killing stormies, or Han, who shot first amongst other things. Or both.

I think it unlikely related directly and only to Luke, for the simple fact that Luke is not one of Rey's 'friends' at that point, any commentary Kylo has on Luke is wasted on Rey since she wouldn't know.

 

I don't think any of the Force Bond proponents are arguing that such a Bond was created during the interrogation. If something like that is there, it would be something pre-existing. They recognize that energy between them, after all. It's not a created there and then.

It's also remarkable that Ren plays the most prominent role in Rey's visions, and at least one of those scenes was a premonition.

If they've met before, then that could explain the connection, though even then it would imply more than just a passing acquaintance. If they haven't... you have to admit there's something fishy going on, Force Bond or not.

 

I agree with the bolded, but who said that is the equivalent to "Reylo"? Do you know how many possibilities there are for a romance arc between them that doesn't include his redemption or her falling in love with him?

Idk who is arguing that Rey should be reduced to a plot device to redeem Kylo?

I am hoping for a Kylo/Rey romance, but I love Rey's character and want her to reach her potential as much as anyone else who loves Star Wars. Obviously Kylo is despicable at this point, and it would not make any sense for Rey to moon over him the way he is now. For her to reciprocate any potential romantic feelings on his end, he would have to undergo major transformation. But his redemption is solely his responsibility - and yes, Rey has better things to do than rescue Kylo Ren.

 

Hi! I've been lurking on this thread (and several others) for a few weeks, and finally decided to join in. (Of course, my account got approved the day that the thread was locked all day.)

A little background--I'm probably a bit older than most of the other posters on this thread in that I was able to see ESB and ROTJ in the theater. I was WAY into Star Wars as a kid, but HATED the first two PT movies (ROTS helps redeem that whole trilogy a bit). I'm also coming at this from the perspective of being a mom of a 4-year-old girl who wants to see more positive female role models in movies as my daughter grows up. (This is partially why I don't have much issue with the huge oversaturation of everything Frozen in our house.)

Anyway, I've seen TFA twice now. The first time, I saw what I think most people have seen--I came away from the movie expecting Rey to turn out to be Luke's daughter, hated Kylo Ren for killing my beloved Han Solo, and totally figured that Rey and Finn would end up together. I was concentrating so much on both waiting for the other shoe to drop and the movie to start sucking and had a huge case of anxiety because I had a bad feeling in my gut that they were going to kill Han.

The second time...it was like I was watching a different movie. I picked up on many of the little things between Kylo and Rey noted on this thread. I also thought that Adam Driver's and Daisy Ridley's chemistry sizzeled off the screen, any time that they were on screen together. I remember leaving the theater thinking, "Holy ****! Did I just see what I thought I saw on screen? In a Star Wars movie???" It was also with this second viewing that I noticed that Adam Driver was hot (to be blunt) and was also thinking, "WTF is wrong with me? Why did I find that guy hot? He killed his dad?" (I'm going to guess that based on how he was styled, etc, this is probably exactly the reaction that the filmmakers were going for, especially among the female part of the audience.) I also came away from the second viewing thinking that there was no way that Rey was Luke's daughter. I'm leaning towards thinking that she's a Kenobi but am intrigued by the idea of her being a descendent of Palpatine's or some other dark side parentage.

I went straight to the internet and googled "Rey Ren chemistry" and found out that I wasn't the only person (by a long shot) to notice the dynamic between the two of them. I've also been lurking on this thread every since.

I can actually see quite a few different ways they can go in episodes VIII and IX to set up varying degrees of a Reylo ship. I'll go into those in other posts to keep this post from getting any longer than it is.

One question/theory that I haven't seen yet, though, has to do with the pre-TFA timeline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it sound like Ben left the Academy around the same time that Rey was dropped on Jakku? (We know that the slaughter at the Academy happened more recently, long after Rey had been abandoned.) I'm wondering if the events from ~15 years ago could be related. Like, maybe Rey was a youngling, and there was some sort of incident at the academy that led to both her being dropped on Jakku and Ben leaving? Or perhaps young Rey came from dark parentage/and or showed an affinity for the dark side at an early age and was refused admittance to the academy by Luke, which angered Ben enough to leave?

 

Welcome aboard this ship... ITA... had the same exact reaction on second viewing. Rey was dropped of on Jakku BEFORE any events occurred at Luke's Academy... as confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo...

 

Welcome, and awesome post.

As for Rey being left on Jakku and the academy massacre, they seem to be separated by quite some time, with Rey being left on Jakku happening beforehand.

 

laugh-it-up-fuzzball
Great post, great user name.
Can't wait to hear more about your thoughts on the potential ways they can portray a Kylo/Rey arc on film.

I just love seeing this because it's exactly what happened to me:

As for your question regarding the timeline, do we actually know when Kylo Ren left Luke's academy? As you point out, It would be interesting if that event was somehow related to Rey's being left on Jakku. I am of the opinion that Ren and Rey never met before in person, but he sensed her existence through the force. But I'm open to other possibilities, and would like to hear more about your views on this.

EDIT:
Guys, I think laugh-it-up-fuzzball is saying that Kylo may have left the academy years before going back to destroy it, and his leaving may have happened around the time Rey was dropped off in Jakku - years before the actual destruction. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

 

I agree with this, and I think it goes the other way as well, with Rey seeing Kylo in her Force vision before seeing him in person. Kylo is heavily prominent in Rey's vision, more so than even Luke. He shows up multiple times front and center. Rey's vision is about Kylo as much as it is about her.

 

I can't wait to see them argue over who must make the meals.

 

Found this gif comparison:




http://frozenmusings.tumblr.com/post/137962905856/the-solo-wants-something-but-is-super-subtle