ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

We don't know exactly when Kylo left the Jedi school, we just know that it was BEFORE the massacre. Right now, there's nothing to directly contradict the possibility Rey and Kylo knew each other or to contradict that Rey's being left on Jakku is related to Kylo (and possibly his leaving the school), BUT, at the same time, there's nothing that specifically points to it either.

Edit: I'm going to have to check back on what made me think the massacre was AFTER Kylo left the school, but I'm pretty sure it was.

 

[quote="rowan_greenleaf, post: 53178033, member: 1416253"
Guys, I think laugh-it-up-fuzzball is saying that Kylo may have left the academy years before going back to destroy it, and his leaving may have happened around the time Rey was dropped off in Jakku - years before the actual destruction. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.[/quote]

Yup, that was exactly what I was trying to say. I apparently didn't express that very well in my rambling post.

ETA: Apologies for the poorly formatted response. Still getting the hang of this posting system.

 

Laugh-it-up,I had the same experience. I left the first viewing buzzing with all the action and thinking they'd set it up for Rey/Finn. I watched the abduction scene mainly thinking of Darth Vader / Leia and feeling apprehensive. I was a bit taken aback by the de-masking, but mainly thrilled by the discovery of Rey's Force capabilities.

But during the second viewing, I watched the interrogation scene and thought 'WTF?'. By then, I knew the surprise that was coming and could focus on everything else that was going on, which was quite a lot. I watched the second time with my young-adult daughter and her two friends, and they all collapsed into sniggers when Kylo Ren took off his helmet - because they'd watched 'Girls' and I hadn't, and the thought of Adam Sackler being a serious villain was hilarious to them. Yet I still left thinking that the filmmakers had imbued that scene with heavy sexual undertones that I hadn't been aware of at all the first time round.

I quickly realised that I wasn't the only one to see this, and after some research I realised that Adam Driver's character in 'Girls' is presented as sexual in a weird, rather threatening way, and that JJ might have hired him partly on account of his ability to act that kind of sexuality.

If it turns out that they've decided to make Rey and Ren close relations, that scene was seriously messed up in a way that eclipses Luke and Leia kissing. In fact, I find myself wondering if the delay for rewrites is to give Rey a different parentage than first envisaged, because the chemistry between Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver was so sizzling they can't afford to waste it?

Whatever the connection, these two are clearly set up to be equal powers, and their struggle with each other must surely be the meat of the next two films?

Whether she goes off with Finn in the end or not - and I have a miserable feeling that the Chinese market may discourage them from allowing that - It seems to me that all the big electricity has to be between Ren and Kylo Ren, and that it will be a very different relationship than that between Luke and Vader, simply on account of the genders.

 

Sheesh, that's one hell of a stretch there. Even without context.

 

What? A Solo looking at something desirable? Super reaching, I know /sarcasm

 

That's what people call subtle?? Lol sorry I can't ignore the context of Rey being strapped to a table against her will, sorry. However, you're right, even if you do ignore the subtext Rey does not look comfortable, or turned on, or intrigued. Leia looks all of those things.

 

Yes, Leia is suuuuuper turned on and intrigued right now while she's worrying about Luke.

 

Lol maybe not, but unlike Rey, she likes Han's closeness. She's in love with him.

Edit ~ beyond which, I said "ignoring context." I was referring to how she looks.

 

Yeah, Leia has a kinda "WTF are you trying now, Solo" look.

Oh well, this thread is just too much of a draw that no one can resist

 

But that's not exactly on her mind right now ?

Anyways, you're still using context in your analysis. We wouldn't need the "in love with him" if we're going for no context.

And I don't know, one way to interpret Rey's face is that she is kind of turned on in the virginal innocent way (if we're going for absolutely NO context because I really don't think she is). The face reminds me of that vacant kind of look that the doe eyed female protagonist/love interest has in all those monster films and etc. Think like Christine from Phantom of the Opera.

Again, though, I don't see her as actually turned on right now the SLIGHTEST bit. But looking at this without context..that's the vibe I get.

 

Leia is obviously turning towards him, interested. Rey is obviously terrified lol.

 

Really? It seemed like Ben was soaring her life and she was crying at all the carnage.

 

I hadn't seen Girls beforehand, but I know that I found the un-masking jarring the first time. I'd managed to avoid most spoilers, and while I'm not sure what I was expecting to see when Kylo Ren removes the mask, a young, handsome, almost baby-ish face was definitely not it.

My brother (who I consider to be my real-life Star Wars enabler) does watch Girls, and he had the same reaction that your daughter and friends did in that he had trouble getting past the Adam Sackler bit.

In any case, even if they're never acted upon (although I suspect that they will be, at least to a small degree), I strongly suspect that the sexual undertones are there for a reason. I also suspect that once TFA is available on Blu-Ray/streaming/etc, more people will notice them, and we'll see more discussion about them. Like you, I think that with the tone of that interrogation scene, there's no way that Rey and Ren are related--I don't think that Disney/Star Wars would cross that line in a PG-13 rated trilogy.

 

I have long said I like reading this thread. I enjoy seeing things through a totally different perspective. Sometimes there are interesting, thoughtful posts in here that help me see things I didn't before in TFA.

And sometimes there's swooning over images of Kylo getting in Rey's space while she's strapped to a table and comparing them to Han/Leia lol. I replied to someone I'm more likely to agree with about the absurdity of that being called "subtle." Y'all don't need to engage with me cause I'm not looking for a debate.

 

Still doesn't explain the Kylo and Han parallel.

 

I answered your in context point with an in context point, but when I made the comment in the first place, it was disregarding context. This really isn't a debate worthy fact.

There is nothing in the movie to indicate that being strapped to a table against her will while crying turned Rey on. And in that picture, I don't see her looking turned on. I see a girl that looks very uncomfortable trying to pretend that the weirdo giving her stalker eyes in her personal space isn't there.

 

Well, we clearly read into things differently. No point in arguing it further especially since you've made it clear you're not here to debate.

 

Ah I get what you're saying. Yeah, their desire's are similar it seems, but their awareness is wildly different lol.

 

I kinda compare it to Megamind and Roxanne from Megamind:



Dude kidnaps her and ties her up like it is his job (it kinda is), she is tied to that chair in the pic, and uses her as basically a prop in his showboating with Metroman.

It isn't until much later that he treats her well and they get together.

Edit: thinking about it some more, Megamind is a fairly good example of a redemption arc. He 'kills' Metroman, and eventually it does nothing but make him miserable. He tries to fix it with his villainous ways, but it is really spending time and falling in love with Roxanne that changes his perspective. He then has to fix the problems he created before having a happy ending.

 

I would agree only if Rey and Kylo were a little more sarcastic snarky with one another. Sure, it happens a little bit, but it's not quite the same vibe.

But I can see a little bit of this in there.

 

Here's a pretty interesting video I just found. There are too many similarities between RB & KR, it can't be a coincidence.

 

Man that guy's accent is grating, but I lol'ed at how much he wants some reylo

 

I saw this yesterday! He's freakin' hilarious and so passionate about them!

"This is Bastila...This is our angel, Rey"
Bastilla/Reva retellin'
Revan howeva turned to the dark side.
I need Kylo and Rey togetha. Please consida
Love the accent! Loll

 

And someone in the comments noticed that there's a small similarity between Bastila's theme and Rey's!
Bastila's theme at 0:33:


Rey's theme at 1:00:

 

guys take a look at this video, he makes me laugh so hard haha!