ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Guys, I'm really embarrassed to say but I've only ever played like an hour of Knights of the Old Republic... SWTOR was more of my thing. Should I try to get more into it?? And do you think I should play according to the canon storyline...?

 

Pretty sure "ben" has already turned to the darkside.

As for who dropped rey on jakku.

Is everyone really going with a pre-teen kylo ren dropping her off on jakku? It would seem strange that he didn't seem to recognize her at all in any of their scenes. Very strange.

 

I hardly play any video games anymore Five Nights at Freddy's 4 was probably the last one. I tend to just watch playthroughs on youtube now (watched the Disney Infinity TFA playset, but that had almost no storyline to speak of which was disappointing) plus I spend all my time here, lol

Go for it if you want

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Nah, I don't like it either. I don't think they have ever met in the flesh, force visions are possible though.

Pre-teen Kylo turning is weird too, it makes me think that Snoke and the Knights of Ren physically assisted him.

 

Lol...uh seeing as how Han called him Ben...I'd say it's still a significant name....

I personally don't think that but they're theories. If people really believe she's Luke or Han and Leia's kid, then it seems anything is possible

 

I'm definitely not convinced that Rey and Ben/Kylo met at some point before she was dropped off at Jakku--I was simply throwing that possibility out there as it could explain an intertwined past between the two. I'm leaning towards him not recognizing her/them not having met in person before, but if you also figure that the last time he might have seen her was when she was 5 years old, it would be understandable if he didn't recognize her right away as an adult woman.

I know that Pablo Hidalgo has said that the "It IS you" is in reference to Rey being the force awakening, but I'm taking that with a small grain of salt. If he really did recognize her from something in his past, do you think he'd give that away as a spoiler on twitter?

 

I don't think Kylo was the one who dropped her off. If she was his sister or cousin and he dropped her in the middle of nowhere, did he let Leia or Luke think she was dead? If so, I am not sure Leia would say there was still good in him. I agree with the theory that he saw her in visions but hadn't yet met her in person.

If they were unrelated, why would he protect her by dropping her off?

 

I think Han called him "Ben", because thats what he and leia named him. That was his hope. He'd hoped that his son was still reachable. Of course, "ben" decided to be "kylo" as he murdered his father.

 

I wonder why Ben chose Kylo- combining both SKYwalker and SoLO- for his new name. Why not drop the Solo if he thought so little of his father?

 

What do you make of the fact that the script says he was weakened right after killing his father? As opposed to feeling stronger?

 

I do think they are cousins, but either way. I just can't see how a kid would drop a girl off, but then have no reaction whatsoever to seeing her again. It could be that he's seen a girl in force visions that turns out to be a threat, but i seriously can't see how a pre teen is gonna drop her off. The biggest tell was how he had no dialog/facial expression/etc. upon seeing her for the first time. If he dropped her off, then he wouldn't have seemed so suprised/shaken when she turned the tables on the mind ra-.......the torture scene. I think he's have gone into that with the mindset of "ok....this is my cousin....lets see what she's got.". Personally, I think it would be lame if he dropped her off. It would make his actions towards her, all the more full of "wtfery".

 

I'm so happy this thread is back up! I love how this thread keeps growing; I was shoveling snow and doing school work today and yesterday and was so happy to log on and see even more pages added to this thread. Still spending way too much time thinking about Reylo...to the point where I was in class watching Jane Eyre with Orson Wells and Joan Fontaine and their interplay made me think of how Kylo and Rey's relationship could play out...Reylo is pretty much my life right now...

Anyway, has anyone read the novelization for TFA? If so I was hoping for some clarification. I read somewhere (can't remember exactly where) that in the book Rey sees a young boy in the force visions sequence? Is there a description of what he looks like (if it isn't young Ben Solo, the only other kid I can think it would be is possibly Anakin) If so do you think they filmed it as part of the force vision sequence and just edited it out, or completely took out that part altogether since it would have been too obvious who it was she was seeing, once we see Kylo unmasked later on? If it so happens that she did see a boy resembling Ben, I think it would be really interesting if in the next movie we find out that Kylo Ren had visions of a girl like Rey (maybe even starting before he went to the dark side), thus why he was so interested in her. Force visions are an established thing, so I don't see why not. Thoughts?

 

Valency Jane I just found the part when the boy is mentioned in the novelization:

check this for more information: www.bustle.com/articles/137107-reys-force-vision-includes-an-unnamed-boy-in-the-force-awakens-novelization-who-is-he

 

It shows the struggle he has with his morality. I think all of that makes for an awesome villain. However, if it were up to me, I'd still be after his head. The fact that you struggled, yet still made the choice you made, only drives home how rotten you are. Imagine if anakin felt horrible after slaughtering the younglings. Would it really matter to you if you were obi wan? Kylo ren has the potential to be one of the most well written villainous characters in film history.

 

There is a theory Han ignited the saber, but I thought the novel clearly says Kylo does. And does Kylo then give Han a push off of the catwalk?
I wondered if Kylo was genuine in his tears with Han or if it was a ploy to draw him closer to kill him. But I think it was genuine.

 

This made me LOL.

*no bootleg video

 

I agree-- villains who struggle with morality are the best ones. But I definitely think Obi Wan would care if Anakin came to regret his actions. But caring for him does not equate your get out jail free card. There are so many awful crimes committed all the time, and many don't care at all! They have no remorse. People who do regret though, they don't just do so because they feel like turning on the "i wanna be good" switch. It's a lengthy, tumultuous mental process. I think Obi Wan would be relieved that Anakin regretted, but no doubt, everyone and including Anakin, would know he would have to be held accountable somehow. Why is it that people keep equating redemption with complete freedom? If Kylo returned to Ben Solo, he should still be plagued with guilt. It's not going to be rainbows and lollipops.

 

Thank you for sharing the link! Also thanks for sharing the Reylo reaction clip from you tube earlier; he is hilarious and totally encapsulates my feelings about shipping Reylo.

Figures they just say that it's a boy; no description or anything. Sigh. Since I feel like they are trying to stay away from having to include that much about Anakin in these movies, other then comparing Kylo Ren to him, imo the only other reasonable answer as to who the boy is has to be a young Ben Solo. I wonder if they will bring this back up in 8, like having Rey come to the realization that that is Kylo Ren before he turned (and probably be horrified at this revelation, especially after seeing him as a monster who killed his dad, hurt Finn and fought her). If they did this they could have her really confused about whether there really is a shred of good left in him, as Leia and Han had thought there was (and we don't yet know if Luke thinks there is hope for him, though I think he might since he believed his father could be turned even through Obi Wan and Yoda told him there was no hope for Darth Vader). If they were to confront each other after this, especially after she has been training with Luke, it would be interesting to see how it all plays out...if Kylo is indeed stronger in the force or if he is even more tortured and feeling pulled to the light.

 

The problem is if everyone is redeemable no matter what evils they commit, then the concept of redemption becomes cheap. It's like every bad thing you do can get wiped away if you feel regretful enough. Darth Vaders turn was so memorable because no one thought it was possible other than Luke, and it took him ALMOST dying for Vader to act against Palpatine. That was a GREAT redemption arc, and imo Kylo turning good just because he's infatuated with Rey diminishes how powerfully the dark side can grip someone once they succumb to it. "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." That's what Yoda said, and he was pretty wise, right? So for that to remain believable, I think there should be an example of someone who let the dark side in, let it take root and kept descending. That to me is much more interesting than a redemption story, which has already been done.

 

Just as with anakin, if kylo turned back into "ben", his fate would still be sealed. Its not enough to hate yourself for what you did. Vader was redeemed, but he still had to die. In fact, dying was ultimately a big part of his redemption. Kylo has already done to much to simply be allowed to feel terrible for the rest of his life. Personally, I hope they don't go the redeemed route. Zero said much better than i could, that another redemption arc would cheapen the notion in the first place. It would lessen the importance of not being seduced by the dark side if you can turn, kill billions, but then change your mind again. I'd rather see a villain through and through at this point. Sort of how exar kun was an A-hole till the end.

 

Um, that is exactly the point they are arguing against. That redemption does not equal sins being wiped away that only works for religions

 

But if there's no consequences to wrongdoing, in that everything that Kylo is looking for is given to him in the end, then in essence his sins are wiped away. Yes he can feel bad about it, but what has it cost him?

 

Again, there is no wiping away of past actions. I love the Vader redemption, I love it when he says "You were right, Luke" I get tears in my eyes. But I also think Vader got away with what he did. He dies this tragic hero way, but what do you think would happen to him had he lived? That's what I would like to see play out with Kylo/Ben.-

I also personally don't believe he's going to become good just cause he gets a crush on her. Yeah, that's definitely not going to bring him back to the light. I've said this a few times, but I think if the were to fall in love with her, it would be after he started realizing he was on the wrong side. I think interactions with Rey would at first not be about feelings for her, but would make him reflect about his whole life. He could see Rey as an example of a person he could be, who he could have been. Only later on would he have feelings for her. Because yeah, him becoming good just cause he likes her is lame. I don't want that.

I love Kylo Ren's dark side. I love his tantrums and his rage and his issues lol. And his sick stopping a laser in mid air think and lightsaber twisting skills. So I don't want any of that to go anytime soon. If he were to change, it should be episode 9. Episode 8, I see him being still a bad guy, but just feeling way more messed up and not sure of himself, meaning more tantrums and monologues with Vader helmet lol.

 

In some ways, redemption = death is the easier way. It is harder to live with the burden of the crimes you have commited and atoning for them even harder still.

It would be something you would spend the rest of your life working towards, but also a goal that would never truly be satisfied.

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Would that be enough consequence?

 

Not really...he killed his father!! That will mess him up. If they had him all happy, I'd be annoyed. That makes no sense. He should be in a dark place. He'd probably isolate himself from others. He'd probably feel underserving of anything. So then what does he have in the end except for lots of guilt and pain? Again, becoming good again isn't going to make his life happy go lucky. Complete opposite.

 

rey09, I am in total agreement with what you just said about how Kylo's redemption should come from him seeing Rey and turning towards the light not because he loves her, but because she helps him realize all of the terrible things he has done. And like you said, him developing feelings for her after he has already begun his path back into the light. To me this is one of the only ways that they can establish a healthy and fully fleshed out relationship between Rey and Ben.