ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Cool. See this is why Im trying to avoid these debates lol.

 

No. If vader had lived, he'd have had to have been put down. If kylo changes his mind, he still has to die. Sorry, but you wiped out an entire system of people. I'm glad you realize that was a bad thing, but now its time to die.

 

WOOOAHHH-HO-HO that gave me a chill. For a second, I thought you meant we had to die. The way you said that was so...sinister, oof. I'm getting shivers and I'm sweating a little bit now.

Sorry about that!

But I mostly agree that death is an easy "redemption" and that Kylo should work for it.

 

I agree with the entirety of your first paragraph. We are both hoping that our respective ships can float in the upcoming episodes, so to speak, and I get that will color our perspectives. But I don't think that I've implied that you are being ignorant, nor have I ever said that I don't see the potential for FinnRey. As I've said before I think that the possibility of them ending up together in future episodes is definitely there, though from my perspective it would be a cop out because it's too easy. That's neither here nor there, though.

I actually enjoy it, that's part of why I'm here exchanging ideas instead of just reading Reylo fics and praying to all the gods that can hear that my OTP becomes canon, lol. But at times these debates can get a bit too circuitous for my taste and that's when I bow out.

Anyway, time for me to head out. Good night, all.

 

Death just seems such an easy route to take..... it is much harder and would make an interesting story to show someone realizing that they're on the wrong path, and fighting their way back to the light...

I remember reading the story of Milarepa, one of the greatest saints in Tibetan Buddhism which involves a redemption arc.

http://buddhism.about.com/od/whoswhoinbuddhism/a/Milarepa.htm

He was a happy child but due to family circumstances, on his 15th birthday he started learning the dark arts to have revenge on some relatives and fellow villagers. He killed lots of people (including family), destroyed their houses and crops etc....but finally he met another saint who became his teacher....and through penance, hardship and obedience, he went on to become a teacher himself and and finally attain enlightenment (becoming a Buddha).

The point I am trying to make is that it is not impossible to depict a redemption arc with a good story within the time frame of a trilogy....it just needs good writing and we can be sure that there is a good team of writers involved in the process.

 

totally. i think driver comes across as very sexual, very energetic, very uncontainable. he does do a lot of shouting as well (not so much in TFA).

 

This is one of the reasons I check the response in the China box office news....being the second largest movie going market, they need to make an impact their to be the highest grossing film worldwide....esp. since Avatar 2 is probably also being released around the same time... while not a deal breaker, they cannot ignore the the requirements of that market completely.

 

i think the film leaves it ambiguous who ignited the sabre...

the first time around i thought kylo ren was manipulating han. it just seemed like he was trying to get him closer and because he doesn't outright ask, is it alright if i kill you, it seemed like he was trying to get han to agree to whatever it was he wanted to do.

but then i saw it again and i was sure they both know what he is asking... and no manipulation and the pain is genuine.

but then maybe i've jusst gone to the dark side with this

 

I'm wondering if he was kidnapped and brainwashed at 14-15?....imprisonment and torture don't seem to be new concepts in the SW universe to bring people over to the dark side...

 

I still think he's done way too much. You don't kill nonchalantly kill that many people and get to play the tortured anti hero afterwards. I wouldn't be interested in making him suffer or anything. I'd just execute him. Same with anakin.

 

Love is the key for any kind of redemption.

 

As long as Leia and Rey are around, Kylo has a chance of redemption (and living).

 

kylo ren already OWNS this movie. driver stole it. it's him and rey's story.

 

i think if he carries on with the menacing ambiguity from sicario, i'd be so excited! i didn't love the movie much but he was grrreat.

 

he falls on his knees afterwards. not quite the body language of awesome power.

 

It only took for Vader that he killed Emperor Palpatine and I felt sympathy for him right away!. It was an instant game changer . How long did it take?

 

Thats ONE opinion. I for one, thought Rey and Finn together were pretty great

 

At the absolute end of the movie. And he died saving Luke. A sacrifice play by Kylo would be the only way redemption works in my mind. Getting to live after killing so many people and causing so much suffering doesn't equal out imo.

Also, I'm sensing that most of y'all here are more willing to give bad guys a pass than most people

 

Rey is a Kenobi and Ren a Gray Jedi?

So this article theorizes

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3740353

 

I can't see Rey and Kylo becoming a couple but rather, they will instead work together to bring down Snoke and finish off the First Order once and for all...

With Rey also somehow finding out that she's related to the redeemed Ben Solo, and I also have the feeling that her potential love interest can be the currently underutilized Poe!


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I was just watching images of Rey's force vision again...I read somewhere she was in "battle dress".... I don't think it looks like the costume of a jedi padawan at all (especially no side braid)....looks more like the tunics gladiators traditionally wore (minus armor).. so maybe she was not a padawan but a possibly child recruited to train as a FO stormtrooper/officer?

Also, in ancient Sparta, babies deemed unfit to be soldiers in the future were abandoned to either die of exposure or be rescued and adopted by strangers.....could this be what happened to Rey?

 

Well, I guess that's sort of my point in that idea. Kasdan went and killed Han because he and Ford felt that Han's story had been served, his part in the Journey was done and over. He didn't need to act as the mentor/Guardian anymore. So now, it's a more powerful death, and oddly enough his death also serves to protect his son in a way. If Ben had failed to kill Han, Snoke probably would never have let his son escape the Starkiller base alive, even if he didn't kill him, someone else would have or they could have killed him some way through the dark side. So with Han dead, Ben is safe from Snoke's wrath for now.

How does it go against what MH said though? He says that it was never addressed in the films, and it wasn't. Luke still can be seen as the audience avatar, the problem with having him be monk like seems to take away what made him unique, and pretty much keeps all the issues with the Jedi code still in tact. To me it seemed like Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted him to find a new way for the Jedi, not following the old rules, but make his own.

Eh, I would disagree on that. As much as the dead spouse thing can be seen as a bad thing, it can sometimes actually give more for the character to deal with on a personal level. Even with the death of some of his students, I still suspect there are jedi out there not going by that name, having lost someone on a personal level would at least show us that Luke had had a normal life till more recently, and at least given the audience a sense of "he had some what of a happy ending the same way his sister did."

Regardless of Rey being biological, or rey being adopted, Luke is going to eventually see her as his child either in a spiritual sense of the term or by family relation. Heck there is still an option that makes her both Rey Random and Luke's daughter. If her mother had her with another father, and Luke was her step father the same way that Shimi was Owen's stepmother. We know that it happened in PT, no reason that can't happen in the ST either.

 

Truthfully, Adam was given a special role, and he had a TON of heavy lifting to do.... Play the bad guy, make him likable, make him baddass, KILL HAN SOLO one of the most beloved movie characters of all time... be handsome, sexy and sympathetic.. Adam freakin Driver

 

It is fiction so yes... in real life NO

 

Sure as friends, they are great... but the Poe flirted with Finn, biting his lip and all that give me some serious vibes