Saga Will R2-D2/C-3PO ever get destroyed?

Do you think it will ever happen? Should it happen? Discuss. With the recent news that the saga may go beyond the ST, could this eventually happen?

 

What about recycled into new droids?
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I wouldn't be sad to see them go.

 

well, C3PO got dismantled in Episode 2... Dismantled in Episode 5.... So he may get dismantled in Episode 8 to keep the tradition alive but I do not ever want to see them get destroyed. If it were done right or for some sort of purpose like Han's death than there wouldnt be a problem. But I would be sad

 

I believe Marcia Lucas suggested that Threepio be destroyed on the Death Star in ANH. Lucas was rather distraught at the idea.

That was when Lucas was trying to remedy a distinct lack of tension in that whole act. The heroes had too easy a time of it. The Empire suddenly lost a lot of its threat value. Killing Obi-Wan was the obvious solution.

I'm not sure Artoo or Threepio should be destroyed, personally. The question even makes me feel... odd.

Mind you, J.J. Abrams/Disney seemed to find the next best thing by giving Threepio and Artoo all of about two scenes each in TFA, and having Artoo asleep for practically the whole movie.

I was prepared for the droids not having a big part in TFA, but to kick them so coldly to the sidelines slightly surprised me. That sad, I have to concede, it makes a certain kind of sense.

They had BB-8 to introduce, and Artoo, as it happens, is connected strongly with Anakin and Luke in the original six, so him being in a sort of catatonic state goes well with Luke's total absence. Anyway, that's another thread, I suppose.

If Threepio got a red arm in TFA, maybe Artoo can get a green leg in Episode VIII? Or maybe he's a Prince fan and he'd prefer purple? Actually, now that I think about it, it would be cool if Prince popped out the inside of Artoo, because he can surely fit in there, and c'mon, Artoo is as inscrutable and inspired -- and definitely as much of a pimp -- as Prince. I'd also like to see Prince's love symbol make an appearance in Star Wars. Plus we need a character in heels.

Or just give Artoo a cape or something.

But don't destroy them.

"No disintegrations."

Seriously, I think they need a bigger part in the next two episodes, but maybe that's just me.

 

Cryogenic . I definitely understand where you are coming from. R2D2 and C3PO played important roles and were central characters in all episodes up until ep.7. I didnt think I would like BB8 replacing R2D2 but he surprised me and I enjoyed him more than I thought. Still, I would feel so sad if R2 or C3PO got "killed"

 

Didnt C3PO die in a cave in some old book? If R2 has to die it MUST be heroically, preferably saving Luke or a Skywalker in general. C3PO would probably... Accidentally fall of a cliff or something.

 

If the saga goes on for ages, or if there's a flash-forward/TV show/Anthology film depicting events of a distant future, then it's possible.
Otherwise, it's highly unlikely.

...unless Anthony Daniels passes away unexpectedly and they don't want to replace him. Then, I could see them scrapping Threepio for good.

 

Since Threepio's translation services were not really required in TFA, I predict a grim future for this character (add to this he wasn't exactly everybody's favorite during the OT period...).

Maybe Artoo will then put himself into another self-inflicted "coma" and thus give BB-8 more space.

 

If any characters from the Star Wars Saga should stand the test of time, it most definitely should be R2-D2 and C-3PO. It makes sense to refresh their dynamic through the inclusion of BB-8 as a third player, but I hope we get to experience more of their classic hate/love relationship in Episode VIII and IX.

 

Wasn't Obi-Wan killed because Guinness wasn't a fan, and he suggested killing Obi-Wan?

 

I can't see them being killed off - they're the viewpoint characters for the Saga as a whole, being present in every movie.

 

J.J. gave me a scare when R2 was in low power mode, though I loved his grand re-appearance at the end. I guess the droids themselves are showing their age (though 3PO is still doing much the same work). I was fine with giving them a reduced role, but I hope it doesn't get smaller than that. They can change out the entire cast (Lucas foretold this), but to me, it needs to have 3PO and R2 to feel like Star Wars.

To my knowledge, Cryogenic is right. Guinness didn't feel strongly about the movie, however, he was disappointed when they made the decision to kill his character.

 

Really? I heard that it was Guinness' idea to kill Obi-Wan off.

 

I remember reading about he didnt favor the movie all that much, and hated being associated with Obi-Wan all the time?

 

It's a grand tradition in SW that the actors playing the best characters thought it was all bit of a joke. Ford, Guiness, McGregor etc. Liam Neeson actually started talking about retiring in 1999, which many took as code for not enjoying his role:

"I'm retiring from movies next year," says the 46-year-old Neeson in the June Redbook. When questioned about these remarks by USA Today gossip columnist Jeannie Williams, Neeson adds, "It's confirmed. I'm retired.
"Film is a director's medium," he explains to the paper. "We [actors] are basically puppets. Producers earn all the money, and you get the sense that they hate actors. The crews are treated like slaves."

Okay, Liam. Whatever you reckon.

But now it's been established that droids are basically built to last for a century or more, there's no real reason why R2 and Threepio need to go other than there be nothing left to say about the characters.

 

Me, too.

I mean, look, it's a nice conceit, having these tottering robots -- BB-8 can join them if he wants (I'm indifferent) -- blundering through the whole thing, with Artoo recounting the whole story (or as much as he remembers) to the Whills a hundred years later.

That was Lucas' original idea (more or less) and I hope that it is honoured. Plus, the robots just give Star Wars that right dose of innocence and naivete, and the feel of something spanning generations. Not to mention paying homage to the whole science-fiction meets Kurosawa and fairy tales template of the whole series.

Would definitely like to see them still having an important part to play in the remaining films. Part of the challenge, in fact, is integrating them with all the different situations and environments, without it coming across as jarring. Obviously, some people felt that Lucas got this wrong in the prequels, and that's okay. But at least they're still there and doing things (Artoo, anyway). Don't chuck them!

That is correct. Or rather, Guinness was upset that Lucas had left his character's fate up in the air, and said in his diary that it was "a bit late for such decisions".

The idea to kill Obi-Wan had come to Lucas some time before the film began shooting: possibly around the time Guinness was actually cast (or, indeed, a bit before). You can imagine why Lucas might have flip-flopped on going through with it for a while.

I'll present some links below.

Again, that is correct. He liked the movie after having seen it for the first time, but was pretty disparaging about it while filming took place, and years later, came to resent being so strongly associated with his character, and he despaired at the potential infantilizing effect of the movie on young, impressionable minds.


Links:

This link concisely deals with the myth that Guinness himself suggested Obi-Wan be killed off:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1995711/was-obi-wan-kenobis-death-in-star-wars-sir-alec-guinness-idea/


And this link is the same thing, but with a bit more detail:

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.c...inness-idea-to-kill-off-obi-wan-in-star-wars/


And this link goes a bit more into the hatred issue:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/alec_guinness_a.k.a._obi_wan_kenobi_kind_of_hated_star_wars


I recommend all three, because they each contain different diary/journal entries, which are all amusing to read.

Seems that Alec Guinness had a bit of a problem remembering people's names: Paul Lucas, Tennyson Ford!

And I wonder -- given his attitude to that child (see third link) -- what he'd make of all us yokels posting to a Star Wars message board? He's probably shaking his head and needing a long rest on that log on Dagobah...

 

Here is what I learned over the years.

One of the things Sir Alec Guinness really didn't like about Star Wars was that everywhere he went people only acknowledged his performance in Star Wars and considering the many other really important films in which he starred and also had main roles, I can perfectly understand his negative feelings.

If I were an actor and of all the films I participated in the one which I liked less would eventually become the (only) one the world would remember me, would be somewhat disappointing.

The other thing is that George Lucas started to feel uncomfortable with idea that his veteran actor would have been left with pretty much nothing to do after the escape from the Death Star, probably with even lesser lines than the General Dodonna character and basically become the proverbial "fifth wheel".

Therefore, having Sir Alec Guiness "leave the stage" (and the way he actually did it!) was really a gesture of genuine respect by George Lucas (I can't help but add that I have nothing but the deepest sympathies for the young George Lucas!).

 

In answer to the OP - no. Never. The original idea that the entire saga would be told through their eyes (like the farmers in Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress) fell by the wayside pretty quickly, but the pair have been a touchstone along the whole way, and given their non-mortal state, there's no reason not to keep them around.

Besides, despite the fact that their adventures in the Star Wars Saga took place a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, they survived long enough to make it to the Earth of a few thousand years ago:

I think they needed a bigger part in Eps I-III, TBH, Threepio, anyway. As for BB-8, I think the little fella might eventually supplant Threepio, with Artoo being the older, grouchier foil. I hope not, though - much as I enjoyed BB-8 as a cute, humorous offset to the rather grim tone of TFA, and a welcome companion to the very lonely character of Rey, Star Wars doesn't need its own Scrappy-Doo.

They're not, though. They're included in every movie - in roles which are becoming more and more cameo-like (seriously, what did C-3PO actually DO in TFA?) - but as I already mentioned, the idea that the Saga would be told through their eyes is long gone, and didn't even make it past the first act of SW/ANH in a serious fashion.

 

I'd never seen that hieroglyphic before, nice.
I might beg to differ over the merits of a Scrappy Doo for the saga/franchise

 

So pretty much if BB8 is Scrappy Doo, then he'll eventually fall by the wayside, get forgotten about, then come back as the villain?

 

No, I don't think they will ever be permanently destroyed, and they never should be.

 

No...no! In my head canon they are still how we have the story passed down and BB8 just gives another storyteller so can now have them with different parts of the crew better. For now Threepio stays with Leia, Artoo is with Rey, Luke, and Chewie, and BB hangs with Poe and Finn.

 

If Threepio is destined to get some of the lame, recycled lines that we got in TFA, I wouldn't mind seeing him go. He struck me as a parody of himself, which saddened me. Someone even posted a snippet of the novelization on here in which he references R2's "beeps". Huh? He would have never said something so oversimplistic. I always found a wonderful blend of haughtiness and insecurity in him, but in TFA it was one or the other. There's always been a subtle annoyance with him that has been endearing, but apparently he's a more complex character than writers were ready for.

That's the wonderful thing about R2; with a relatively limited array of, ahem, "beeps", he is theoretically timeless and tough to screw up.

As always, IMHO. Any criticism is made out of love.

 

On the other hand I really dislike the design of Leia's new protocol droid PZ-4CO which looks like a guy in a suit or inspired from a Godzilla movie. Given the choice I'd rather like to see Leia interact with Threepio than this blue "thing" in the next films: http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/...ars-force-awakens-episode-7-droid-images.jpeg