ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I don't know what you're talking about, this is all I want to see out of Episodes VIII and IX. Just this scene repeated over and over for five hours.
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#Sarcasm

 

I didn't interpret "I can take whatever I want" as sexual either, but what was puzzling to me and the people who watched it with me was how close he got to her face and the framing of those shots. I'm sure someone in this thread has already argued that the filmmakers wouldn't purposely give us incestuous vibes, but it strangely reminded me of the twisted brother-sister dynamic, Commodus and Lucilla from Gladiator. It came across as an unrequited desire for intimacy that mostly just highlights how alienated from normal relationships the antagonist is. I guess until we get clarification of Rey's background, I'll just continue being confused about why a PG-13 movie would repeat the OT's Luke-Leia confusion and insert possibly incestuous undertones.

 

I kept wondering if Hux had ever seen Ren's face before that moment. It's entirely possible he hadn't, and Ren felt so vulnerable he looked at the ground. That's how I would interpret that little clip.

 

I think the answer is pretty clear. It wouldn't. LucasFilm tried to bury all that Luke and Leia stuff for three decades. They just wouldn't repeat it, especially not like this. It doesn't just cross the line, it goes so far over the line that it can no longer see the line.

 

I simply cannot imagine how they could not be Force Bonded. They may not call it FB but as long as they explain it exactly like FB I'm OK. Connection/bond is there. Nothing else explains Rey's abilities that mirror his. Nothing.

As for Hux seeing Kylo's face, yeah, that was the first time. He wasn't supposed to and Kylo looked totally like "oh, shoot, I need my mask now! dammm!"

 

Yes, especially since nothing in his character (that we've seen) would suggest that his behavior with Rey was normal for him. That behavior was exclusive to Rey.

 

It's either a Force Bond or Disney hired some seriously incompetent writers. Like literally, that's not how the Force works.

 

Would those 2 super virgins Rey and Kylo even know what to do if they decided to make love? cause you know they would make love not just have sex. They'd make love physically, emotionally and thought the Force Bond. If they knew how, lol.

 

I think his "You know I can take whatever I want" was him stating what he believed was fact- he could read her mind and take the information he needed- then the tables were quickly turned on him. However, his eyes and closeness to her was betraying his underlying fascination with her as well.

Kylo is, dare I say, positively adorable in that scene where Hux comes in. He is so awkward.

 

I know, right? There truly hasn't been a character like this in SW. Driver really acted the **** out of that role. I could personally strangle anyone who wants Kylo to become one dimensional mustache twirling villain and cover his expressive face with a mask. Moments like this are why so many fans find the character endlessly fascinating. I mean, look at him. That's "Rey chews on her insta bread while imaging to be Rebel pilot" level adorkable.

 

Sex between two force sensitive people must be mindblowing! If they can each feel what the other is feeling while sharing such a deep connection... Hoo boy!

As for them knowing what to do, I'm sure they'd work it out!

 

Seriously! If you think about it, Kylo wasn't onscreen that much but his impact- wow.

 

Thousands of fan fics have been written detailing this very subject since December 18th. It's glorious.

 

I saw both interpretations, but I decided it was not purely sexual because of his tone and previous conduct. My current speculation is that IF the force bond or deeper relationship is a thing they are moving forward with, using double entendre lines/visual cues and the parent trap obscure intent of the scenes. Either that or they wanted to scar another generation of SW fans with oops, that was my cousin I eyed up .

 

I know, right? That's what I always wanted to know. Whether they feel it on an extra level.

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Can we just get Adam and Daisy do it for the team on the screen? The idea that Adam is playing a virgin is just too good to pass. I really need to see those moments when Kylo sheds his neck to toe covers and allows Rey to touch him everywhere and feel him through the Force and Rey lets him unbraid her hair and unwrap her dress and squeeze her hand (you know that movie sex scene cliche where they always show 2 intertwined hands, squeezing one another?) anf feel her though the force and otherwise? Yeah.

ReyofLightSide Yeah, he isn't on the screen that much and Reylo aren't on the screen that much (3 scenes not counting her watch him kill Han) but they cast such a long shadow.

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#SpaceLannisters

 

This is super creepy, ugh. But so well done.
Snoke's Puppet, by kath-artic (kathartic.tumblr.com).
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rowan_greenleaf O.M.G. Wow. Fanart is doing some really amazing stuff with Solo family (young Ben and parents, Chewie, Luke) and this is amazing Snoke and Ben themed art that I haven't seen before. Now apply that scene to a child Ben. I really hope they take that kind of a dark angle with Snoke.

 

somebody in page back mention that JJ Abrams stated kylo ren is reverse luke and i just check it he is said that in interview . here my observation about it

the reverse / opposite part

• luke in ANH save a kidnaped girl and ren kidnap a girl

• luke confront his father to come with him in ROTJ and ren get confronted by his father to leave with him

• luke decide not to kill his father and ren decide to kill his father

However not all that label as reverse is opposite. sometime it has something in common but some aspect need to be altered

here the similarity beetwen ren and luke

• luke interested with a girl in ANH (leia) ren too interested with a girl (rey) but luke and leia turn out to be related so that mean ren and rey will not be related i guess

• funny even thought luke decide not to kill his father in ROTJ he get shocked by electricity ( physically hurt) and ren after kill his father is shocked too(emotionally hurt i guess) by what he done according to novel script someone post here

maybe i over analyze stuff

 

That's exactly what I thought, that this picture could portray the beginning of a young Ben Solo's dealings with Snoke. Lies and manipulation to help drive the wedge between Ben and his family.

 

Yep, Reylo couldn't exist without Adam and Stormpilot couldn't exist without Isaac. Actor's acting ability played really important role in this scenario.

I wonder what would happen if Isaac played "Finn". TFA (and even entire Sequels) might become a bloodbath arena Since both of them were very talented. Isaac was a Golden Globes Winner and Adam was chosen without audition, Abrams and Kennedy had to pursue him to take the role. Luckily, they didn't have to "go against" each other. hehehe

 

Reminded me of something interesting. So I was reading Poe's section in the Before the Awakening book, and a few things jumped out at me in regard to time and could actually help point to when Ben started to maybe be manipulated by Snoke and also there was a point with Leia that jumped out too.

Okay so to start with the first part. So Shara Bey, is Poe's mom. She flies an A-wing during the Battle of Endor and is the wife of Kes Dameron, and has a long roster of marks for her flying during the rebellion. Later on she does two special missions, the first is with Leia and the Queen of naboo after the Empire tries to destroy it, the second is when she went with Luke to get the two trees. Now both she and her husband retired to Yarvin 4 and seemed to have been left out of the loop. However it's her death that has me really curious.

Normally a smaller character like Shara would at least get a mention on how she died. Either through dialogue or narration. Someone would mention that she passed on fighting, or that she got sick or something. Thing is, in the book, there's no mention of how she passed on, and I find that odd given that in other books they talk about that for smaller characters.

Here's the thing, Shara's death happens 6 years after the battle of Endor when Poe is eight. Her death falls exactly 14 years before Rey got dropped off on Jakku, then 14 years later we get Rey joining the battle. The reason I bring this up isn't that I'm going to say that Poe and Rey are family, but rather, I think that Shara's death may have happened during Snoke's Rise and also was probably when he started to influence Ben.

We know that by Snoke's appearance he's been messed up pretty bad.

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We've got a crack scar down the front of his head, his left ear is messed up and the scaring very much looks like the wounds you would get if you're caught in a bad sort of explosion and over time the scaring fixes it. Given Snoke's view of Luke it wouldn't seem odd to have Luke go after him, and if Snoke was the one that helped Start the FO, given the time Frame it would be an easy place to start up something like the FO at this persion, having Shara Bey act as his partner in taking out Snoke's team would certainly cover the whole issue of why they might not have gone into Shara's death.

If we take that into play, that Shara died helping Luke, it does cover some of the lines that Kes says in the book. Also, given that Shara and Luke were friends, if Rey (either as Luke's child or someone he was taking care of) was in danger then it wouldn't be hard to see Kes being the person to drop off Rey some place that he knows of. Kes as a leader of the Pathfinders group, seems to have some connections to at least one character in the Aftermath Books who lived on Jakku. This could cover the "Why Rey was on Jakku" as well as the "Sweetie" line that the book indicates.

Kes as a father would be more gentle speaking to a little girl, and he may have made a deal with Unkar to transport Rey. He would need a pilot to take him there as well. Poe is 19 at the time when this is going on. It could be that Poe and Kes dropped her off. Maz's line about not coming back, would have indicated then the fact that the Dameron's may not have come back for her. Or if it wasn't Poe who was flying but someone else with Kes, that could be an option as well.

So there's the Rey connection there, then there's the Ben connection as well.

At the end of the book Leia has the Hevurion Grace, the ship from the Senator that was an FO Traitor, docked on the Echo of Hope. C3P-0 goes on board and, when he comes back out and calls to her, he tells her he's found something and she says that it's never anything good when he says she better look at it. The next part we see her lost in thought and talking to Poe about finding Lor.

Now this really threw me for a loop. I figured, okay that might be about Star Killer Base, but in the movie they didn't know about it. Could it be that they're looking for Luke? But why would that be given to a Senator. Then it made me wonder if it was something to do with Ben himself, and the possibilty that Kylo Ren has been talking to the Senator. It just seemed very odd that this was pointed out.

Could it be that Poe could be a good link to help Rey understand Ben more through the connection his parents had with Luke, Leia and Han? After all Poe knows a lot about Han through his father, and probably about Ben through that.

Just a thought or two.

 

hola all, finally finished catching up. i have to say while looking at the gif when rey pulled the light saber and kylo's face was it just me or did kylo smile/smirk at little before the gif looped back, its fast though so maybe im seeing things. lol but i cant help but look at kylo's face and his overall expression during the whole fight especially the light saber lock where he was just staring at her face, i just find it a very interesting choice of expression for kylo to have done by J.J especially at the edge of the cliff, cause the one at the edge of the cliff is even weirder, one doesnt expect kylo to have that expression of almost calmness in a situation like that. J.J wanted that type of expression for a reason, it really stands out.its one of the reason i got intrigued and couldnt shake the feeling i had for kylo/rey dynamic and i couldnt just subscribe to the idea of it being a stagnant rivalry.also im soo glad Adam got kylo ren, he is a brilliant actor and he really bring kylo to life.

 

Great article.. love it. I can't agree more.

 

You are not over analyzing, this is 100% correct ^^^^^^

 

rowan_greenleaf That drawing is beyond amazing and expresses exactly how I visualize Kylo Ren and Snoke.

I have no time to catch up, you guys write so much Anyway I'm bringing this up because it's gonna be pretty interesting, I'm so looking forward it..

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