ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I agree, it wasn't an argument. I was just inputting my interpretation. You kind of lost me for a second at the words "projecting" and "trigger" though. Tumblr.

 

Yes! Maz's line + the bolded part , I wrote the same thing in one of my first posts here.
Rey answered ''Luke" just because at that point the only thing she knew was that he was gone missing and everyone was desperate to find him. And the lightsaber, of course.

 

This is how TFA completely subverts this trope:

KYLO

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Who is physically vulnerable here? Character that bleeds or character that gets the weapon? Moreover, bleeding = feminine trope, sword = masculine trope aka phallic symbol. They reversed roles here, like 100% and seeds of that are already in the interrogation scene.

That is why Reylo is such fascinating ship. They do something with Rey and Kylo characters that hasn't been done anywhere, especially in SW.

 

How could it go worse? - their offspring destroys the entire galaxy and uses the remnants of it to season his or her nicoise salad?

 

That's 100% going to be the plot of Episode X.

 

BlackIsTheColor Rey answering "Luke?" was the moment I went "nah". They wouldn't reveal it right there. the point of the prophecy is to find out later what it meant, not right away.

Antis are simply blind to the fact that Ben Solo is IMPORTANT. He's one of 3 main protagonists. It doesn't matter that we are mostly dealing with his evil alter ego Kylo. That's the brilliance of the character. He's a protagonist and antagonist at the same time.

Like parents like son

Penchant for dramatic unmasking




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Penchant for invading private space




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These callbacks are not coincidental. They are planned. Big time.

 

side note: i will be sorely dissapointed if there is no Adam driver tripping and falling over his costume in the blooper reel when the TFA DVD comes out.

also a big question, will his hair still be as gloriously luscious as it was in TFA in ep 8.

looking at some gif of him being scarred in the face, it doesnt seem like a bad kind of cut as i previously imagined.

vaderito i agree, i thought when they were locked with kylo's saber being pushed down and the legacy saber high up in the air was really neat symbolism/foreshadowing. plus i just really loved that shot altogether. and yesss thank goodness i wasnt seeing things lol

star wars has always had complex and interesting hero/villian dynamic/relationship and its something that really stands out. we had luke and vader, obi wan and anakin. my fav is obi wan and anakin, it could have been even better executed but i still really liked the dynamic. so its no wonder i fell for rey and kylo and no doubt their dynamic will be really interesting to follow and more complex then simple rivalry given that it's star wars and that's never been the case.

side note: my bro finds kylo ren really interesting and really liked his and rey's part, his not a shipper or anything but he found their scenes intense. and i found my self turning into matt the radar technician going "yes exactly.... EXACTLY". bro though has no clue about matt lol

 

You guys know I'm not ready to prescribe to the "love story," but it's hilarious how much foreshadowing there is in this film, all leading in a very obvious direction. A deep, intimate connection has been forged between Rey and Ren, one that will have massive impacts on the rest of the trilogy. Yet all they keep saying is "Rey hates Ren" or "Rey deserves to be with Finn, the guy who actually cares about her."

This has all happened before. Viewers ignore certain characters or interpret them as unimportant, and it comes back to haunt them down the road.

 

FrolickingFizzgig Ben Solo is the fruit of SW's most epic romance which is one of cinemas most iconic romances ever. A Princess and a Scoundrel. Therefore, anyone who thinks that he is not positioned to be a romantic figure in this trilogy either doesn't know how to watch movies or have some extreme bias that prevents them from logical thinking. Scenes above are just a few where context is romantic to the max and deliberately made to callback to his parents most romantic moments. Plus he is the object of saving. Who has Force Bond or something very similar (if they decide not to use the term) with the main heroine aka savior.

I also want to point this gif as an argument in favor of Force Bond (and to showcase Kylo's amazing pillow lips of course):

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"Completely untrained" Pop goes theory that 5 years old Rey was trained all the way to the Jedi Master level and her wiped out memories are now coming back. She is "completely untrained". Kylo would know. That's the whole point. She wasn't trained (a 5 years old couldn't possibly be even a Padawan level let alone more advanced...which is what Mind trick and lightsabre fight are) . She wasn't trained. She wasn't trained. Therefore, stuff that she learned she picked up from Kylo only. Not from stories about the Jedi (lol, does anyone really think that's a plausible explanation behind her skills that she didn't have BEFORE meeting Kylo?) . They bonded and are sharing information. he knew she would steal the ship and she learned mind trick and how to fight JUST LIKE HIM.

civilsecret here's the original (movie) image:

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J.J. Abrams was hired and paid to set things up in Sequels (now Rian Johnson will continue to build up from that setting). But just look at Abrams's previous works, you can foresee what will happen next (at least for Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo, since he was Abrams-Kennedy-Kasdan's "chosen one" from the beginning, they had pursued Adam to take the role while Rey/Finn/Poe were colour-blind casting)

Three of Abrams most successful works include Lost (115 episodes) , Alias (105 episodes), Fringe (100 episodes), always using these plot devices:

• Main character had family issues.
• Main character had supernatural connection and shared it with another character.
• Main character did terrible things, could be considered irredeemable but still had redemption arc with sunsine at the end (yes, sunshine)

At least now we get the hint for Ben's fate.

 

I definitely saw everything you're describing, but I guess I'm coming from a perspective of not wanting to set myself up for disappointment. I'm just not ready to say with 100% certainty that we're heading toward a love story with this. When you consider how likely the Force Bond is, it's painfully difficult not to go there, but we'll have to wait and see. Do I think the writers can pull off something of this magnitude? Yes, I do. I also think the audience will love it by the time it happens, even the Finn/Rey comrades who so often poke their heads in this thread. A lot of their interest with this whole idea stems from insecurity. If they were so confident, they wouldn't argue so much. I would say the same of myself. I'm very confident that we're heading toward a Force Bond between people who represent everything the other opposes, but as for the love story it so heavily implies, who knows? I see all the potential and I hope the writers don't squander it. They've set it all up so beautifully.

And yes, I think we've all seen people argue that "Rey heard about that stuff in legends on Jakku." Never mind the fact that knowing about something doesn't give you the ability to do it. I know what singing is. Does that mean I can sing? No. It's simple denial. They would rather believe that the writers are incompetent than admit that maybe... just maybe... there's something bigger at work here.

 

BladenSoul3003 Kylo = Kate Austen (she killed her father, it took her mother long time to forgive her)

This scene is pure magic. No wonder Reylo became so popular. when you have amazing stuff like bridal carry, interrogation and this:

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LOOK AT THEM! LOOK.AT.THEM. Nope, this is not your classic hero/villain scene. This is MOVIE MAGIC with the most ridiculous UST. This definitely is intended to bring the romance on the screen. Like Zoro and Elena. Make no mistake, handsome guy and beautiful girl fighting in a movie = deliberate romantic undertones.

 

No. He's obviously shocked that the lightsaber went to her. Stop seeing romance where there is none.

 

also rian johnsons work specifically looper, cause i just watched it followed a bad guy, a killer, two different versions of the character, with two different types of morality and you kind of thought you knew who you were rooting for and everything got flipped. plus i really loved how he closed all the threads and everything made sense by the end of the movie.

also the jedi mind trick really bothered me cause there is no way to explain that. like how would she even know what to say and do specifically and how does she know of that idk. plus pulling the lightsaber requires training as well, it took luke all his strength to pull it to him in ESB. i hope its not just for plot reasons and it was the force.

 

I would love to see an anti reylo give a different interpretation of this symbolism. I am curious... I want to see a counter argument and not see posts like these ignored for another recycled circular reylo objection.

 

THIS^^^ This 5 year old Rey padawan meme is rife on the internets.

 

Counter argument? Switching around gender roles doesn't have anything romantic to it. Why would it?

 

Please expound and give us your interpretation of the scene. I would love your opinion on what is the visual story being told. The one that Harrison Ford loved so much.

 

So you don't have a counter argument just a flat rejection of the theory?

 

I'm not going to analyze the whole thing, I said in the previous post what was happening. Definitely nothing romantic.

 

this is more romantic than getting caught by a tentacle monster and saved by closing door.

Kylo when Rey picks up the sabre:

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Kylo when Finn picks up the saber:

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Static Kylo face when Rey picks up the saber (large file):

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he's definitely NOT angry. He's definitely in OWE. Like, WOW.

 

I agree that the final fight scene can't necessarily be interpreted as "romantic." The term "romance" is just not the right one to apply to the current connection between Rey and Ren. Romance implies that both parties are willing to engage. I've repeatedly used the term "intimate" to describe their bond, as I consider it to be a lot more accurate.

 

There is nothing to that theory. What does changing around the gender roles have to do with Reylo? What's romantic about switching the gender roles?

 

And this post for the MOST WIN EVER! Thank you!

 

Yeah, of course he is. The lightsaber he tried to summon flew right past him and into the hand of Rey. Of course he's in awe.