ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

what i really don't understand is how he knew about her, he seems to know about her prior to meeting her. but he's already obsessing about her. .. why?

it only makes sense if he was *feeling* her before or something. because otherwise he obsesses over a girl he's never met and treats her like the preciousssss without her having given any good reason for him to do so.

well done on the avatar

 

Finn doesn't call himself a janitor. He, like all soldiers and his canon novel confirms the same applies to stormtroopers, was assigned sanitation at one point in his training. "Janitor" is a profession. If Finn was employed by the FO to work sanitation full time, he would be a janitor. But Finn isn't a janitor and never was. Finn was a stormtrooper, and was a stormtrooper his entire life before he defected.

 

Hm. Not sure about it being longer; they may not want to tinker with the film, after GL doing that with the OT especially with the "special editions" and whatnot. I myself am hoping for a bunch of deleted scenes and would so love it if they gave us some behind the scenes footage with the actors (like them acting against green screens and rehearsing the fight scenes)
I wonder what we will get regarding any commentaries; I'd love it if they did one with the new new bunch of actors!!!

 

but if he saw her in visions, why isn't this something he brings up when he's got her all pinned down?

like, you know, so... uhm, i've seen you in this vision. i'm a little confused. how about you?

 

Yeah, I didn't use the term as bait at all. I just didn't want to say "sanitation worker" twice in the same sentence. Janitor seemed like a reasonable substitute.

 

Some random responses to things brought up in the last few pages:

- Finn as a character was hugely problematic for me. On one hand I liked having an everyman character in the mix who isn't outstandingly gifted at anything, who shows very normal human reactions like lying to impress a girl and wanting to get the hell away from the bad guys. John Boyega has fantastic energy and charm and chemistry with every single character he interacts with. All good stuff. Problem is, Finn the funny, instantly likeable, relatable everyman doesn't gel with Finn the stormtrooper raised to be a killing machine by an evil totalitarian regime from birth. Like, AT ALL. More than that, any semblance of drama is sucked right out of this scenario when none of the good guys have any issue with Finn's First Order history whatsoever. It just felt like the writers wanted Finn to be a stormtrooper mainly for plot reasons, which is a terrible way to approach character writing.

- On whether the writers will be willing to take risks with the good guys: I hope so. One of the (negative) reviews I've read of TFA complained that Rey, Finn and Poe had no edges of the original OT heroes, and I kinda see where they're coming from, it did feel sometimes like they were set on Maximum Likeability and the movie was just so anxious for you to love them. It would be nice to believe that now that TFA won back that goodwill they'll be willing to take more risks, but the more cynical side of me that's been let down over and over in the past thinks that it's just as likely that they won't mess with the winning formula. Rian Johnson, yeah, but powerful the Disney machine is.

- Kylo the virgin, yeah totally. He strikes me as an incredibly single-minded individual whose entire being and energy is concentrated on one thing (though it's safe to say that by the end of TFA he's been thoroughly distracted haha). I don't think he thinks or cares much about sex at all, which is BTW why that infamous "take whatever I want" line didn't bother me in the film even though it is a creepy line coming from a man towards a helpless strapped-down girl. I just didn't feel like Rey was in any danger from Kylo in that regard.

- On Kylo's relationship with Snoke: I found it hard to pin it down. He shows some signs of fear/reverence when he mentions Snoke's name in his conversation with Han and his Darth Vader mask monologue. But at the same time I just don't get the same vibe of servility and reverence from Kylo and Snoke's scenes together that I always got from Anakin and Palpatine's interactions. He doesn't call him "Master" or kneels before him and there's a sort of bratty impatient edge to him when he talks to Snoke about Rey.

 

darth_frared I think he wasn't sure somehow, that's why he said "It is you!" during the final battle when she grabbed the lightsaber.

 

"The janitor has seen stuff y'all" or whatever wasn't designed to bait? What was the intent, then? "Janitors work thankless respectable jobs and often are privy to useful information that will help our heroes" perhaps?

 

i'm just hoping against hope that they don't do the terrible thing with actor interviews where they all end up congratulating each other on their great work for ages.

i know they won't *really* discuss the film, it's corporate product and i've mostly given up on watching DVD extras because they are so often so very safe and friendly. i remember watching a fassbinder (german director) film and todd haynes did a whole little feature on how much he loved fassbender's melodrama. that was worth seeing.

 

Whatever you want.

 

Well he was talking about a "pull to the light" before he met her right? What was that pull to the light? Was it ever explained? I think you may be on to something.

Theres even a weird cross over moment where she touches the light saber and sees him, Kylo looks up and walks towards her, but she's not there? did he feel her all the way back when he committed that crime?

 

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that she was wearing a mask in the visions, much like he was. Her scavenger mask, perhaps?

 

i feel like subscribing to a digest for this thread does anyone wish to deliver a digest, pretty please?

i really want to see snoke in person. i feel like they've kept him so ambiguous because he appears as this hologram.

as for the lack of kneeling... yeah, i guess maybe he own's kylo ren's ass already, he doesn't *need* to have him kneel anymore.

 

i don't think i'll be able to solve that mystery tonight...

the 'pull to the light' everyone thinks is to do with him being both light and dark side. it may *literally* be her, what do i know.

Berhan

but he seems so sure when he carries her off! he KNOWS. this is what he's been waiting for ALL HIS LIFE.

 

All evidence suggests that the rainy battlefield scene in from the future, not the past. We'll need the next episode to confirm that, but he appeared to be killing one of the Knights of Ren to protect her. I'm positive that moment will be shown again down the line. It was confirmed the man who is stabbed was one of the Knights of Ren.
A gif of the moment: http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uploads/491/1b4d42f0-9609-0133-a002-0e7c926a42af.gif?

 

I had the same idea, it seems like he has never seen her face in the Force visions; hence those doubts. | Also, Rey saw him wearing a mask in the Force dreams; but when they fought his face was uncovered...

 

Yep! My thinking exactly.

 

yeah i like how the vision shows you stuff but then changes it.

 

My personal theory is that, if indeed it turns out that he has seen her in visions, he saw her:

1. From a distance, and could only tell based on the figure and shape of the person that it was a young woman, but couldn't make out many features, other than hair color
2. Perhaps he has seen a version of her either (a) when she was just a child or (b) wearing the head coverings or helmet like in the beginning so her face was shielded
3. Or she was always blurry in the vision, like even if he tried to use the force and concentrate he couldn't pin down exactly who she was or exactly what her features were
4. Or maybe he has seen a future version of Rey, like in a whole different outfit and hairstyle, such that she looks well dressed and put together and does not appear to be a scavenger; it might explain his disbelief at BB8 showing the map to her, a scavenger.

So, with all of these, he isn't sure what to make of her as she is probably different from what he expected, but subconsciously slowly realizes through their encounters (oh, duh, it really is her). Hence the "It is you." line in the novel.

Or none of these at all, but these are the best ideas I've come up with for now.

 

it's maddening how the movie shows you something and you think yeah that's obvious and then snatches it away from you again.

i just really wish he'd brought it up properly so they could have had a chat about the damn force bond instead of discussing the blooming map!

 

Hidalgo called the "warrior" a "clan leader". Not a knight.

 

I think the guy who played the Knight confirmed that he was a Knight of Ren in a Tweet. I can't find it now though. Maybe someone else will link it.

 

when does he say "it is you?" I didn't hear that?

 

Well there was a fiasco about a fake guy claiming to be TR8R, so I'd trust Hidalgo's tweet more.
link isn't working so I'll paste it

 

There was something in the credits of the movie too from what I've heard.