ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Don't be afraid, I feel it too....lol

 

It's just not my thing. I think it's because I've been writing my own stories for so long, I just can't help but be a little irked by the whole notion of Fanfiction. I find it a little insulting somehow. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's just how I've always felt about it. I have nothing against those who write or read it though, it's just not my personal cup of tea.

 

Me too, but mine is posted and being updated... slowly.

There is a ton of reylo fanfic variety- I am liking the historical AUs quite a lot, and all the soulmate AU stuff too. Reylo really lends itself to some black comedy- the one where Rey randomly interrupts Kylo's arranged marriage and they end up married due to a technicality is hilarious.

 

Kylo stabs a KoR. Kylo is the only one who has lightsaber. KoR don't. They have other weapons but not lightsabers.

moonjump05 Kylo being forcibly/arranged married is a big Reylo Fic trope, lol. usually it's Snoke who comes up with terrible brides so Rey has to save poor Kylo.

 

The Alan Dean Foster's Shoes theory...

So, I posted several weeks ago on the blatant sexual language in the novelization interrogation scene (e.g. he pushed into her with his probe... Not subtle), and something else occurred to me (my apologies if someone already brought this up, haven't read quite the whole forum). This theory is circumstantial, but bear with me...

Splinter of the Mind's Eye , for those who aren't familiar, was the first EU novel, a sequel meant to hold fans over while ESB was made. This book is notorious for all the flirting/sexual tension between Luke and Leia. Of course, this was in the book because even Lucas didn't know they were siblings at that point, let alone the novel's writer, Alan Dean Foster.

I would imagine that Foster was none too pleased when he found out that he had written a romance between siblings.

Fast forward several decades, when Foster was hit up to write the novelization of TFA. Put yourself in his shoes. What would be his most pressing question about the story? The franchise already made a pervy fool of him once by failing to tell him who's secretly related. Having been bitten once, he wouldn't want to get bitten again. I'd imagine that he probably demanded to know if there was any chance of anyone being secretly related. While Foster claims not to know the end game, I'd imagine that he knows who is and isn't family.

Now why would he write the scene that way if he thought here was any chance of them being related? The passage is clearly designed to make anyone over the age of 12 think of sex and/or rape (that's a whole 'nother debate...). Even if Foster was never told that they aren't relatives, why would he risk making the same mistake twice? You'd think he'd tone down the probe pushing.

Mind you, the novelization is full of Rey Solo/Skywalker hints, but my hunch is that these are intended to misdirect us, while simultaneously planting the Reylo seed in our minds, subconsciously.

Here's how I see things going (I am not arrogant enough to issue a Spoiler Alert), I'm sure I'm not the only one to think of this, so I take no credit.

The series continues to parallel the OT in basic structure, but diverges sharply on details. Episode VIII opens with the villain obsessed with hunting down the hero. We are meant to think "oh, we're doing the long lost relative thing again." That way, the audience is shocked when it turns out that this obsession is nothing as wholesome as a desire to team up with a relative, but is a full on Phantom of the (Space) Opera Labyrinth-esc dark, stalker romance. Of course, our feminist icon will shoot him down. Then, Episode IX shows the redemption arc, with Ren eventually dying to save Rey. Then we get an emotional death scene on par with Vader, and a bittersweet, deeply romantic resolution without having to reconcile ourselves with our feminist icon settling down with her stalker.

Thoughts?

 

Something for everyone then...I am new to this (shipping) so I am interested are the writers amateurs or professionals...and what do you as an author think about how is the use of established characters from other medium like movies justified for personal use by fanfic authors, from a philosophical point of view? In other words....don 't you feel guilty for taking them where they were never intended to go...
I am honestly curious and not beeing judgemental
Humor me, I can't sleep and am in the mood for philosophing

 

I've seen a lot of Reylo fanfiction that uses the concept of the force bond. I appreciate it's not your thing, I can see how it's not for everyone. I actually got into reading fanfiction through Doctor Who. I've read stuff that's better than the official published novels! The first piece of fanfiction I wrote was what's commonly known as a fix-it-fic because I hated the way a show I loved had ended. It can be very therapeutic, and it takes nothing away from the official canon. I always give credit where it's due as do most fanfiction writers. It's meant as a tribute really, like all fan art. We aren't attempting to steal other peoples creations and claim them as our own, rather we are expressing our love and appreciation that they exist. Of course it's personal wish fulfilment, and nothing may come of Reylo, but fanfiction has always embraced every ship under the sun... I heard tell of a Dumbledore/Dobby fanfic once, but even I have to draw the line somewhere! ;D

 

Does he really, really have to die? Lol

The theory seems ok with me because I really don't see them related, so thumbs up?

 

I just HIGHLY doubt Ren is going to die at the end of this trilogy. It's a Return of the Jedi rehash that would be criticized to no end, and it would deeply slander the legacy of the Original Trilogy. If anything, the ending of Episode IX will have to make up for twisting the perfect status quo that was achieved at the conclusion of Return of the Jedi. The grand "heroic sacrifice" was a great concept back in the 80's, but it's just so painfully cliche now. Every epic story uses it in some way or another. Ren's death would be unfair to so many characters too. I would take Ren's redemption and atonement over Reylo any day, and I think most people would agree with that. The redemption story has to be told in order for not just this story to come full-circle, but the Prequel Trilogy and Original Trilogy as well. We need that status quo. If a Rey and Ren love story goes along with that, cool. If it doesn't, that's fine too. I'm saying it right now though, Kylo Ren is NOT going to die.

 

I don't know all fanfic subgenres but I know that Reylo Breeding Kink is very popular. Basically, Snoke forces Kylo and Rey into a marriage (Snoke always tires to force Kylo into a marriage, sometimes with Rey, sometimes with OC so Rey has to save Kylo) because he wants Force babies. So Rey hates Kylo at first, duh, but than she sees him shirtless/naked and understandably warms up to him. Kylo cries a lot because tortured Kylo is so damn sexy (see my avatar) so Rey caresses his scar, runs fingers through his hair and one thing leads to another and they start making babies. This is perfectly harmless kink that exists in all fanfiction but apparently some people are appalled.

 

Most fanfic authors are amatuers, although many have professional writing aspirations and I know some that have gone on to publish original works, and make no money from it. I am no professional writer, I do it because I enjoy it but my professional career is as a biologist.

But I have been reading and writing fanfic for half my life, and before that I would 'write' it in my head. It is a great outlet for ideas that I don't necessarily want to pursue as an original work, but would still like to share. I have no issue with it as using established characters- it is free advertising (I have gotten into plenty of fandoms because I read a fanfic) they make no money from it and it is BY FANS. The people who do pay to see these movies and talk about it online or to their friends and love the characters. Fanfic writers just put down what they are already thinking in their head- whether that meshes up with canon or not- and you unless you can go around thought policing, the author will never be able to prevent that.

 

Yeah he will live on and suffer the consequences of his choices....every day...for the rest of his life....that would be pretty grim, unless he was topless at some point

 

I too enjoy the historical AU ones; I've recently found a few that take place during medieval times, and they are quite charming! I like that there are so many different ways of interpreting a relationship between Rey and Kylo and/or Ben. The possibilities are endless! I enjoy the ones where Ben is reformed but we see him deal with the consequences too and their blooming relationship, but I've also enjoyed ones where Rey joins Kylo on the dark side. Basically there is something for everyone.

I'd note that Stormpilot has the most fanfics by far, I think after that Kylux, with Reylo third (though more and more Reylo fics are posted each day. I keep finding new ones, and its getting hard to keep track of them, as I only read them on my phone. So many tabs to keep track of!)

 

Arcanah I'm studying MPAA ratings and I see that they allow male rear nudity in PG-13 as long as content isn't sexual (think Terminator travelling through time naked). So only shirtless won't do for me, there has to be Kylo butt shot somewhere where he's suffering consequences of his choices. Like some of us were discussing previously, we need Kylo flogging, Kylo fighting in sand pits a la Gladiator, other reason to strip Kylo off his clothes while he's pained, tortured and tormented.

 

Yeah, breeding kink is super popular in general, not only in fanfic but published professional romance novels as well.

 

Ugh, the is-this-incestuous-or-not vibe is one of the things holding me back from fully believing she's a Skywalker or Solo. Since it does seem like there would quite a negative reaction to Rey reciprocating any definitively romantic feelings towards Ren, I think yeah, if this dynamic shows up in the series, Ren would either die or everyone is just nonromantic allies by the end.

Does anyone else find it funny that shipping can cause such passionate reactions? Recipients of romantic interest from the Skywalker bloodline seem to have rather tragic fates...the galaxies are huge guys, just pick anyone other than a Skywalker.

 

I guess it's just always great to remember what series we're dealing with. This is Star Wars. It's family-friendly and meant to be enjoyed on many different levels, but there's little to no way any writers would create this incredible, deep, compelling, loveable, young character with so much inner-conflict just to kill him at the end, death-by-redemption or otherwise. I've never seen that happen in any form of entertainment I've ever experienced, from hundreds of books to TV shows to films to video-games. Characters like Vader, Snape and Itachi are created for ultimate sacrifice, characters like Ren are created to be redeemed and atone for their sins.

 

That's an interesting argument, that I haven't seen anywhere. Personally, I don't really like Foster's word choices, and I didn't care for the novel. The thing, though, it that he allegedly didn't have access to inside information, and that even is a problem, since the novel doesn't go deep into characters' feelings, motivations. Would he know whether they are or aren't related? Would he really care?

Now, I don't even understand why he sexualized the mind probe so much. I mean, he doesn't do it with Poe... Sometimes I think he's just like the worst Reylo detractors.
And the interrogation scene doesn't have that moment of connection from the script. Was it perhaps added later to the script?

In all, I wouldn't count on Foster's novelization as proof of anything. It is good to get a glimpse on deleted scenes, and that's all.

As to the Rey Solo/Skywalker, I think it's the same thing as in the film: for every hint that Rey is related, there are two or three hints or simply information that she is not related.

 

I explained my reasons for getting into fanfiction in another post, but basically, I started writing it because I was heartbroken by the ending of a show I'd watched and loved for years. It is a selfish thing, I suppose, to want something for the characters that was not envisaged by the original creators. But I would argue fanfiction can be very therapeutic and can also save/revive your love and appreciation for shows/movies/books/characters that you might feel you lost touch with or which disappointed you in some way. It also takes nothing away from the canon as the original works will always be there in the form the authors/creators intended. Some authors take severe exception to fanfiction and do not permit (under threat of legal action) any fanfiction to be written around their creations, Anne Rice is a good example of this. Other authors, such as J.K. Rowling have embraced fanfiction, and see it as the compliment/tribute to the world and characters she created that fans intended.

I was always of the view that fanfiction writers should not profit from their writing, but this article makes some great points for the validity of fanfiction http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/prid...d-prejudice-a-history-of-onscreen-fan-fiction For example, would all the Benedict Cumberbatch/Martin Freeman Sherlock fans out there prefer that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's original works not be tampered with, or are they glad to have them reinterpreted, bringing generations of new fans to his work?

 

gizka

The Skywalker Curse

Darth Plagueis knocked up Shmi Skywalker through the Force. Was killed by his apprentice in his sleep.

Anakin Skywalker knocked up Padme. She lost the will to live after her husband Force choked her, and died.

Leia (nee Skywalker) Organa was knocked up by Han Solo. He was killed by their son.

I think that Ben's love interest is safe as long as she doesn't get knocked up by him. Then all bets are off!

Skywalkers are not romance poisons, just create really dysfunctional families.

 

My impressions will certainly disappoint and fall short of a deconstruction, largely because--and it could be a cognitive blindspot on my part--i didn't get much from their interactions outside of well-acted, well-constructed scenes intended to further flesh out Kylo as an insolent and incomplete apprentice and Rey as a burgeoning force user - whatever the reason for her rapid development. The Force Bond theory, if it turns out to be true, will bolster this scene and add the layers I presume posters on the this thread already see in their interrogation and lightsaber scenes.

 

Every single piece of Reylo fanfic that I have read uses the Force Bond as a major (plot or not plot) point. EVERY single one, whether it's a smutty one or a plotty one or a combo of the two styles.

 

Do these writers realize how likely the theory actually is? xD

 

I've wondered that. At the very least, I think they realize what an interesting plot device it could be. It also tends to remove the barrier of her seeing him as a monster (of course, this is always before she sees him shirtless and gets to run her fingers through his hair).

Also, Force Bond sex is ALWAYS amazing.

 

It's funny because the evidence supporting it in the film really is MASSIVE.