ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

guys i love all of your theories but i think this is going at least 1 step too far it appears soooooo stretched out, i really think some people have nothing better to do it could be argued that because they are related their themes are similar - same family same themes right?
I feel like some people are searching for proofs where there aren't any. And before you lynch me... I am all for Reylo but i simply try not to look for clues in everything. it seems a bit desperate.

 

That's a photograph, too, right? it's not a work of art based on a photograph like the other image.

I know it's flippant to say this, but if that's the still photograph they chose to put on the Star Wars website, I would say "Case Closed: Official Reylo Exists." Clearly not reciprocal in any way, but . . .

This photo shows a villain (Kylo) who has already been seduced. Despite the hot, red light there is no anger there, no malice, no rage. Minimal tension in his body and arms. His face wears an expression of interest, openness. There's not even pain there, and he's been shot by a bowcaster. Rey's expression is one of rage, anger, fighting, resistance.

Kylo's is one of surrender.

This is the headline photo on the Star Wars website now. This is the core dynamic they are choosing to sell.

I don't know that Rey will go dark, but I have no doubt now that Kylo will go light(er).

 

I agree with everything you guys said, and I also hate dubbing with a passion. I think it's rare for them to actually cast voice actors appropriately. I lived in Latin America for a long time and was subjected to dubbing in a lot of movies, because subtitles are tough on kiddos. Thankfully movies for adults are generally subtitled, in my experience.

Here is the Star Wars trailer in a generic Latin American Spanish accent.



It's awful, especially Rey's voice. :/

Kylo Ren's 8-Pack I loved what you said about Adam Driver's voice. In the trailer you can hear Kylo Ren's dubbed voice at 0:47 to 0:57. It's so mundane, unsexy, and the modulation is so weak as to be almost non-existent. Seriously? Kylo Ren's voice is a important to his characterization as his lightsaber, his prowling walk, his temper tantrums, his man-gown, his luscious locks full of secrets...I could on and on but you get the picture. u_u

But seriously, a lot is lost in translation. Not just Ren's sexy-voice. Rey's voice is dubbed with the same accent as everyone else's. :/

Yup we are on the same wavelength when it comes to this topic, it seems. For that reason I cannot recommend Yukio Mishima enough to you. Nerd alert! I am going on a tangent so I'll put it under a spoiler tag:

Spoiler

Here's a line from The Temple of Dawn:

"Falling in love was a special privilege given to someone whose external, sensuous charm and internal ignorance, disorganization, and lack of cognizance permitted him to form a kind of fantasy about others. It was a rude privilege. Honda was quite aware that since his childhood, he had been the opposite of such a man.”

This line is written from the perspective of a character who is irrevocably falling in love. Later, from the same character's perspective:

"To be made to realize the futility of his suffering was more powerful than to realize the futility of his occasional happiness."

*Dies*
It's just amaaaazing writing. <3

I agree with you on the Russians! Dostoevsky is probably my favorite writer. He has a direct line to my heart by way of my brain. His writing has meant so much to me in my life, different things at different times. The meaning changes as I do. I wonder what it will be like when I'm older. n_n

This, and especially the crossed out part, lol. Luke was such a whiner! He really got on my nerves until RotJ. It took him that long to mature and become a person I could look up to rather than despise. Transformation! What a concept. XD

Please, please do this xyloren
I'd love to read it!

 

I think some people see some of the ovoids oarellels between Luke and Rey so they think that automatically means Rey is hong to be a female Luke however Like in New Hope knew he wanted to be a Jedi,he also had an ambition of becoming a pilot and he also made the choice to join the Rebelion.Rey on the other hand doesn't really have any goals or ambitions other then being reunited with her family.In absence she's a bit of enigma like Kylo is.She doesn't really join the Reistance until maybe the very end of the movie,we also don't know whether she wants to become a Jeid or not(we are led to assume she goes to Like to train with him but we don't know for sure).
Kylo's really the only person who's been there in pivotal moments of Rey's life:discovering her Force abilities and later accepting those abilities.
And another interesting tidbit is that upon meeting Finn Rey(I know BB8 had told her Finn had stolen Poe's jacket but still,she could have asked him if that was true instead of taking it as face value) calls him a thief and Kylo later calls her friends thieves as well.
An other interesting thing is that while she wears different clothes at the end of ten movie her hairstyle is still the same.I feel like this symbolizes the connection she feels for he roar ends and even though it may appear she ha skeet go of the hope of ever reuniting with them on sub onions level maybe she's not yet ready to completely let go of them.Maybe that will play a role in episode 9 when her parentage is revealed and 8 as well.

 

If you look at it like it's a painting it speaks volumes, Its like a, "I love you, why are you fighting me?" thats the feeling I would get from it. He's already accepted her but she is fighting it. doesn't mean she doesn't want to be on the same level as him, she just doesn't want any part of the dark side. You dont get that freaking angry and defensive unless you desire something like that but don't want to.

It just reminds me of Buffy and Spike, she hated him but she was also drawn to him and she hated him because of that, because he was an "evil soulless monster" and she was supposed to be pure and good. Temptation scared her and made her want to hurt Spike.

 

I just answered your question regarding the family theme in another post.

As for looking for clues...we are just doing something we like in a thread with like-minded people......We are all aware that Reylo may or may not happen but it is just something we enjoy discussing.....so where is the desperation? I appreciate you're a Reylo but are you offended by our discussions?

 

Yes, it's possible all the similarities could mean they're related. However, it is odd that Williams used a love theme when there are other themes available that have no romantic undertones involved which could have easily shown a 'cleaner' familial dynamic. Anakin had his own theme, as did Padme. For example, If Rey and Kylo are related, they could have based their themes on Anakin's theme or based Rey's theme on Anakin's theme and Kylo's on Vader's theme, Imperial March (which I think he might already have a little of in his theme, if I'm not mistaken?)

 

I also thought some of it was too much at first, but it's the real deal. A lot of posters who are musicians say it is definitely not a coincidence. Williams is up to something.

 

Dear God....REY MUST DO THIS!!! Is this Bastila?

 

John Williams is a genius musician and composer. There are "secrets" hidden in a lot of Williams' orchestral pieces, his Star Wars themes in particular. He reversed Vader's theme and placed it in The Phantom Menace to foreshadow Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Music is one of the most important and meaningful artistic elements in all of film.

John Williams took the first three notes of Across the Stars (the first three notes in the entire song) and reversed them, then created two themes connected together using that new motif. Ren's motif only has five notes, and three of those five notes are the first three notes of Anakin and Padme's long song in-reverse. Rey's motif has six notes, and again, half of those notes are the first three notes of Anakin and Padme's love song in-reverse. The last three notes of Ren's theme are the first three notes of Rey's theme. Acknowledging this is the farthest thing from "looking-too-deep." It's just interesting and was undeniably intentional on Williams' part... he's a master composer. Music is a language just like any other, and it can be used to convey messages just like this. There are no coincidences like this in music.

And no, Across the Stars is a love song. It isn't "Anakin's theme" or the "Skywalker family theme". Nothing about the connection suggests it has anything to do with Rey being a Skywalker.

 

Heck, if they are related then it's extremely odd that J J chose to put sexual subtext in their scenes together and a blatant physical attraction his end, you just don't shove a dude that close to a woman's face on screen unless there is supposed to be some sort of attraction.UST there.

 

This is Revan and Bastilla's descendant Satele Shan..... I couldn't find gifs of Bastila Shan....

 

Exactly!If I hadn't yet watched the movie or read spoilers I would think the poster is about two lovers and the man is begging the woman not to fight him because he can't bear to fight her or something .Mind you I'm not saying that as Reylo shipper I'm trying to be as objective as possible and that to me screams of a man who's very much in love with a woman who hates him.

 

Whoaa sucha badass. This is seriously needs to happen with Rey

 

Hovering around again?

Art is meant to be analysed and Im sorry to break it to you but, film, music and paintings are all art, they are all supposed to send a message to you, to create an emotional response within the viewer/reader/listener, it's all up for interpretation. Its wrong to tell people they are overanalysing like it's a bad thing..

 

BrehaSolo "And another interesting tidbit is that upon meeting Finn Rey(I know BB8 had told her Finn had stolen Poe's jacket but still,she could have asked him if that was true instead of taking it as face value) calls him a thief and Kylo later calls her friends thieves as well."

I think that it is interesting that Kylo (as I recall) pretty much tells Rey the truth, and Finn tells her lies.

On another topic:


We were discussing intentionality and what is on screen a couple days ago, and one thing I brought up is that one must remember how very, very close the camera was to the actors, especially in those pivotal extreme closeups during the fight (and also during the interrogation, of course).

I just wanted to point out how very close the camera is to Adam Driver in this take. The shot they used was a medium shot, with the frame starting a little above Kylo Ren's belt. I don't know that the gif above shows the take they ultimately used, but it looks like the same camera setup.

If the camera is that close on a medium shot, just think how close it was for the extreme closeups.

 

11-4D

 

Next film, I hope! Maybe it's still too early... but waiting for another couple of years after episode 8 will be torturous.

 

Right, but saying that a picture of Kylo looking freaked out that Rey is pissed "confirms Reylo" is just absuuuuuurd dude

 

Broda always had the best facial expressions. Miss him, I do.

 

Imagine if she shared the same expression? The painting/photo would look like two lovers.

 

I agree it's also interesting that Rey seeing him as some kind of a hero made Finn lie to her while Kylo decided to be honest with her and reveal himself even though she thought he was a monster and wanted to kill him.And while he seems uncomfortable revealing himself to others including his father that's absent whit Rey.

 

See it's funny to me, you are analysing it how you want, you tell us the message you think it's putting across. But then you want to tell people who analyse in a different way to you that they are "overanalysing" very hypocritical.

You are also clearly baiting, is the rest of the board really that dead right now?

 

Offended? no way... i just dont want anyone to be disappointed because they read too much into things