ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

That comic is brilliant, good find!
On a side note, i'm now spending 50% of my entire days in this thread, WHAT AM I DOING!?!?!?!!!

 

It would be nice, but I think a lot of Kylo's strengths as a character went over people's heads. A lot of people are hoping for a more evil, darker, badder Kylo in the next movies as a way to make up for his "weaknesses". I think the movies are telling a different storis, I think he'll find out that what he thought was his weakness is in fact his strength. That's a cool message, but of course, it only goes through when people are ready to hear it...

Finn is awesome. I like it how relatable he is in his insecurities and fears. I can even get on board with people that get really angry when they see people who cannot buy Finn as a romantic lead. He's a regular dude? Why can't a regular dude be a romantic lead? But then, I think Finn should have more victories, or have his victories and contributions (such as disabling the shields) given more credit in the movies. This is an adventure/fantasy film, we people expect the hero to accomplish something, and the movie to underline these accomplishments. There are other reasons in terms of camera angles, light, music for which Finn does not look like a typical romantic lead. Again, regardless of romance, I hope his character is better handled. It's cool to have a male character who has fears, but if he's the comedic relief, then it's not something people would aspire to. But yes, Finn can be a good model as well.

 

Am I the only one who thought Hayden was brilliant playing Anakin?
He looks a little bit like Farley Granger from Strangers on a Train
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We are ALL on a hero's journey. So when a shiny object catches your eye, ( TFA, Reylo, Kylo Ren, or Rey ) you must ask yourself why? I have learned to ask that question of myself, let myself delve deeply with my mini obsessions and letting them flow over me so I can release them. My mini obsessions are always cathartic and very instructive in a way that is relateable and applicable in a functional profitable way to my life and business. I always take away more than I came with supernatural aid, weapons & skills.


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Man, that was deep

 

I thought he was brilliant when he was silent. The lines were... ugh, bad. Still, I really like his performance in the fireplace scene, for instance. He took awkward and cringeworthy lines, and acted them awkwardly. If you watch the scene thinking he's not supposed to be a conventional romantic lead, but an awkward and cringeworthy teen who has some serious problems and an unhealthy fixation with Padme, he's acting is convincing.

 

Hayden's a fine actor and there are moments where he's brilliant as Anakin. It's just that George Lucas couldn't direct an emotional performance to save his life. He should have done what he did with ESB and ROTJ: hand over writing and directing to more qualified people and just supervised as creative director.

 

Maybe so, but we gotta give George some credit, after all he's the reason we are discussing stuff here

Edit: I always found the scene were Anakin is staring out a window and Padme is also very moving.

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True. Hayden had some good moments.

 

It's sad because there was a deleted scene with Obi-Wan talking to Padme about Anakin and Padme realized Obi-Wan loved Anakin and knew about their relationship and didn't interfere with it even though he was a devoted Jedi
Edit: Obi-Wan knew about Padme and Anakin and didn't interfere

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Meh, unearned and over the top emotion in my opinion. Especially compared to Driver who brilliantly straddled the line between subtlety and screen chewing.

 

Each to their own I guess

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I agree Driver is better.
He's angry in the "traitor" line, but he's never as furious as Anakin in this moment.

 

Folks, don't forget that other posters are more than entitled to their own opinions, their own interpretation AND their own wish for how the story progresses. Other opinions are not "the enemy" to be swooped upon and belittled for a "lack of understanding" or whatever.

Generalities that "most" men or women see something is okay, but keep it to the generalities. I am a woman and while I understand the "feminine empowerment" argument so many of you are fond of, I am not sure if I agree with what seems the "thread consensus" definition on how women see it. Or that men can't understand this sense of feminine empowerment because they're male. Or anything to the reverse.

What turns a viewpoint into trollish, flaming, or baiting behavior is the tone, not the opinion.

 

I appreciate that but who is in the aiming here? Out of curiosity of course, no disregard to yourself on my part. It's just hard to see who should stop whatever they are doing, because a lot of people here (except the trolls) believe they are right

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vaderito naked Ren is an overdue necessity. ...I say bring it on

Little_Boots Christensen was great....when he wasn't talking

Geminiwankenobi Force bond must happen...can you imagine the intensity of "you no longer being just you" ?(wink at Nod79) but still wondering how would they portray that on big screen faithfully

Dunno, maybe meeting interesting people who share your opinions....should not worry too much about it and enjoy it...and I am sure it will just get worse

 

I completely agree with this. With all the doubt and angst they showed onscreen, I believed from the first time I walked out of the theatre that Kylo/Ben thinks he "needs the darkness" so he will be "strong [enough]", like Darth Vader, to accomplish something huge, and that quote you provided just adds to that belief. It's like he's special, or uniquely qualified to do something because of his dark/light makeup. Further, I never got the impression that he particularly likes the darkness most of the time. That's why he has to pray to Vader to "show him the power of the darkness again". In that scene he is seeking reassurance from Vader for his path! Also, he runs right to Vader after being told that he is going to have to kill his father to achieve that path! He doesn't want to kill his father at all, but there is something "bigger" out there that may require he does kill his father. In other words, "[he] knows what he has to do, but he doesn't know if he has the strength to do it."

The thing is Vader never gets back to him. (And of course we don't know if it's Vader or not who has been talking him. I for one believe he's actually had visions from someone who he at least thinks is Vader. I also think it could be a corrupted Vader like that concept art showed). As a result, he is still in this doubtful, unstable place when he runs into Han. That's why he becomes so genuinely vulnerable to Han once the mask comes off, because he actually loves his father (as was readily apparent in those unmasked Adam Driver scenes that they covered up later). But he is also highly unstable at this point, so he is really vulnerable to sways of the force around him. So when the light dies and the darkness descends, whether it's from Snoke or just the bad energy that would come from a murdered sun, his mission for which he needs the power of the darkness crystallizes in his head in that very moment, thus in that very moment he can do it. And then he "thanks" Han for his help. But still being unstable, his soul, his mother's internal cry in his head and/or his reason respond against this by coming to the surface and snapping him out of that mindset and throwing him into the "all over the place" mode which we see him in for the rest of the film, where he just veering from one emotion to another, some terrible, some beautiful. However, in all this instability, there is one constant, he needs to get to Rey. He is a drowning man at this point, reacting as furiously at times as a drowning man would, but he instinctively knows that there is something about Rey that he must reach. Maybe he wants her as his partner in the mission he has envisioned or foreseen. Maybe he is desperately trying to grab at strands of her light in this terrible moment. Maybe he is falling in love with her. Or maybe ... just maybe ... all three.

 

I don't like to debate with you guys. I think you do a wonderful job! I agree with what you are writing. My only point is, since there are so few members that use the "us against them" or "I am right" tone, wouldn't it be more effective to tell these members? Or flag and comment on the posts?

I'm saying it cause I like to debate and sometimes I feel upset at the hostility towards diverging opinions, and I've felt this has been happening on this thread lately. I'd love it to remain a place for civilized debate.

 

I'm glad that you posted this moment because I was just thinking about Mustafar and Snow Fight and this is the moment in the Snow Fight where Kylo is branded. Yet, despite his temper that he previously let run wild with Finn, he doesn't yell hate nor looks hateful. He just looks at Rey and then ground opens between them, and there's even fire/lava in the ravine (shades of Mustafar...yeah, they aren't even denying what's going on here), but they keep looking at each other. And then she's gone (but later pauses at the falcon door and looks back). So I'm thinking that this is where Anakin came to the end of the road - he lost Padme (who left him and then died) and it will take 20 years before he crosses path with someone who could ignite light in him (his son). This is arguably his darkest hour (he killed children, he's branded a monster) and he had no one to pull him back. OTOH, that was Kylo's darkest hour too (he killed his father, he's branded a monster) but he met Rey (of Light). Anakin loses his love in his darkest hour, but Kylo finds one in his darkest hour (refer to his "look of love" when Rey gets the saber, teacher line, etc). So not coincidentally, the scene above is from the end of the third movie, while Kylo's moment is from the end of the first movie.

 

Is there any kind of a list of the spotify songs for the characters? Spotify isn't available in my country so I feel like I'm in the dark

 

I for one am not fond of the "feminine empowerment" argument at all. I think it holds a little weight with regards to the psychology behind certain opinions, but I'm not big on psychology in general.

Yesterday the individual with whom many were engaging today called everybody in this thread "sexually repressed" and expressed that we were dumb women with "compromised morals" for discussing an element in a fictional story. This individual was also double-posting, triple-posting and quadruple-posting, and yet it took far too long for a Mod warning to be issued. I really don't want to believe there is some kind of double-standard going on here. Moderators should be impartial and should act based on the Rules of Conduct of the forum as a whole. Opinions are irrelevant. The individual in question was baiting, trolling, quadruple posting and insulting people very personally, and yet they received little more than a slap on the wrist.

 

Did you report the posts? I find when I report an offensive post, mods are usually quick to issue a warning.

 

Honestly, I didn't. That might have something to do with it. I have that individual on Ignore and I didn't personally see a lot of the more insulting posts until a little later. I don't think that kind of behaviour should be allowed here. Next time I'll be sure to report the posts.

 

I got banned twice for double and triple posting in my early days. Yet yesterday I noticed a certain person still remained here and continues to even though I was banned for doing exactly what he did.

Edit: I'm still in early days.

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At this point I feel a Mod ban to that individual would be like spraying a cat with water hours after they knocked something over. The message won't really mean anything now. The moment for action has passed, sadly. We'll just have to be sure to Report the posts next time because that person took this way too far. We're talking about a fictional story here, no need to insult people personally.

 

The only advice I can give is to use the report function. That if you don't want to use the ignore function, which is really nice as well... (I avoid it though, people have to be very aggressive for me to ignore them, I like to debate)