ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I think the real Luke Skywalker would never give up on his nephew, especially because I think the uncle -nephew bond is stronger than the son- father bond, when he's never seen his father. A nephew is a child. He must have seen Ben as a baby (at least photos, holograms or whatever they have), innocent baby, he must have known or sensed Leia's love for Ben...

Question is, are they going to slaughter Luke as a character? If yes, ok, maybe he gave up on Ben.

What I would like to see happen is that Luke has never given up, and that he was not hiding like a coward, but trying to find an answer to defeat Snoke, to bring his nephew back. Maybe that's why he's in the first Jedi temple? Now, if Luke's a wuss who ran away while his sister carried the fate of the galaxy in her shoulders, that would be a real pity. I hope it's not the case, but I fear it might be the case...

As for Han, I also don't like how he's given up on his son or simply assumed he was doomed from birth or something. Maybe it was just Han and Leia's poor exposition lines... I'll have to remember Han for how he died, not for what he said.

Was Ben the apprentice that turned? Maybe. I just don't know why all the dialogue is not very clear or specific. Even Kylo's goal is mysterious. Finish what exactly? With his father, "I know what I have to do...", is it about killing Han, is it about something else? I don't know, I hope we get good answers.

 

Ooooh I like this point, especially the bolded. The force knows that darkside/Snoke is talking to her to take Kylo out, so the force steps in. Also, I can't remember, but does the ground split in that yin and yang curve or is it just straight?

 

Yes, it's a strong possibility! Didn't also Simba unknowingly lead his father to a trap.. so in a certain point of view, he indirectly killed his father... it's Scar's plan all along. Just as it's Snoke's scheme for Kylo to kill his father Han. Betrayed by Scar, Mufasa also died in saving his son, just as Han died in trying to get his back.

Whoa so many Lion king parallels.

 

The bolded -
A perfect description and one of the reasons he was perfectly cast for the strange, awkward yet elegant personification of the character known as Kylo Ren.

This is why he makes such a stunning photographic subject, from a strictly artistic standpoint.
His features really capture light and shadow in visually appealing ways.

Two of my favorite examples -




















Both of these should be matted, framed in nice quality black frames, and hung up on a wall.
Right away.


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Well spotted. First he stands in his "I'm sexy and I know it" stance. Then Rey looks confused. He looks satisfied. That's a long interaction.

He unmasks at 0:45 sec (in that youtube video). Rey is shown reacting at 0:48, until 0:52 Wide shot, then at 0:55 he puts he helmet on that thing. He walks to her until 1:02.
Then he walks towards her, very seductive walk. Closeup on Rey, who glances at him at 0: 58 and 1:03. s At 1:05 Kylo says : "Tell me about the droid".

There's no music, just silence, with the exception of the thud from the helmet. It doesn't seem like a lot, but, for a movie, 20 seconds of silence between the characters is a lot!
Actually, even in real life, 20 seconds is a loooong pause. And she looks at him twice in this period.

So yes, they really want to underline the impact his unmasking causes. But what is that impact? Only that she realizes he's human? Again, the scene is long, and she glances at him then away twice. Apparently, she liked what she saw. Why stress that? I think they want to make it clear that she likes what she sees. Making Kylo so good looking works for that as well, The audience thinks he's hot, and imagines Rey will have a similar reaction.

So what's the point of such a long moment of silence? To stress the impact of his unmasking!

 

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I swear Adam Driver has some sort of sexiness mind voodoo going on! I totally didn't see his appeal until I started watching interviews/Girls/his other work, and before I knew it, I was all... I did NOT see this crush coming at all!

Exactly Force22 It does seem like a very long pause when nothing else is happening except for Kylo striking his sexy pose and Rey giving him the once and twice over!

 

I came on today and was shocked to see 95 alerts in less then 24 hours....and i was like, "what have i done to warrant such love..?"
I felt like a very humbled Radar Technician, so i thank you all.

 

But now I'm thinking about the pauses, their pause in the lightsaber duel is also 20 seconds long. After she says "the force?", and they close their eyes, until she strikes. This time there's music. Still, 20 seconds of him staring at her, her with eyes closed, extreme close ups, heavy breathing. No dialogue. Quite a pause.

 

Ben is so Han's son in that gif. I just finished watching A New Hope. Observation of interest:

I don't care what Lucas says but Hanleia has always been there. Just look at how she gravitates towards him. When he is back from helping Luke, she literally throws herself into his arms and then keeps giving him sideway glances. heck, she's been giving him sideways ever since. Also, sexual dimorphism (he's the tallest male around) works in his favor. Han's sexy as hell. Ben's got his kissy lips and Leia's pointy chin (this is very obvious since he and she wear turtlenecks) and generally his face looks like a mix of mom and dad with grandma's mole.

There's ZERO sexual chemsitry between Leia and Luke. They are cute in a bff/siblings way but nothing sexual. OTOH, oh Han! Unbuttoned shirt, hairy chest, unruly hair, the swagger, the smirk (which Ben's got down path...I hope we see his Solo side sometimes cause now he's very much like Anakin), when Leia laid her eyes on him you could feel she wanted to mate right there. Instant UST though presented through romcom type of banter.

Kasdan and JJ had a field day with throwing as many mixed hints at who Rey may be as possible. ANH has about as many Rey Skywalker, Rey Kenobi and Rey Solo hints as possible and we know that Rey Solo was red herring. So keep guessing.

Uncle Owen thinks Luke has too much of his father in him but Luke really isn't very similar to Anakin personality-wise. Unlike Ben Solo who's,like,second coming of Anakin.

OH, there's a moment when Han makes a petulant pouty face like Kylo when Hux saw him without mask. That's just precious. Those lips Solo boys have.

Han and Leia were such happy characters and there's Young Han franchise in pre-production. They are not going to end his story with unredeemed raging lunatic son who gets killed because he is more evil than all villiains ever combined. No way. Nobody wants to see that.

 

Why do you think all this "Luke might be gay?" speculation is coming out, now? Same time as the Rey Solo comment, and well...frankly everything else. I feel like there has just been a swarm of Star Wars news all happening at once and all circulating around topics of interest for the Reylo community.

 

FrolickingFizzgig Excellent post on the force bond! I'm sold! I'm wondering ( I don't know how they work at all), but does it just kind of come on or does the bond get stronger? Because I was thinking when Kylo Ren did the deed, I wonder if Rey would be able to also feel what he did at the time. Or is it too premature? Or she was taking on his anger or whatever during their fight. I'm hoping in the next movie, she'll be able to sense his growing instability. I wonder if Luke would even tell her to use this new bond to their advantage.

 

Don't read much into it. They are just being friendly to various fandoms. Also, Gay Luke isn't a news. It was an old Mark Hamill tweet that British tabloids are now turning into a news. Clickbait if there was ever one.

 

Yeah but why are they turning it into news now? I've been a Star Wars fan my whole life and I've never heard this discussed. I'm not saying it's a giant conspiracy, I'm just genuinely curious because the timing is so interesting to me. I guess keeping Star Wars a trending topic online is a wise idea regardless of timing.

 

What a great post.


And i think you have indeed touched on the reason why some people struggle with the character of Kylo Ren.

 

I think in the past Mark said that Luke's sexuality was not addressed in the films. I think this time around, someone asked him a question regarding LGBT and he responded trying to be open about it. I think he said something like he's gay if you want him to be? Or something like that. Maybe someone knows better.

 

The most recent "Luke's sexuality is open to fan interpretation" news is actually from this week. Of course it doesn't mean anything. Mark Hamill is just a genuinely kind person who realizes that everybody needs to see themselves represented in popular media.

Anyway, this is what Mark said: "Of course it's possible. I just read online that JJ is very much open to that. In the old days, you would get fan mail. But now fans are writing and asking all these questions: 'I'm being bullied in school... I'm afraid to come out.' They say to me: 'Could Luke be gay?' I'd say it is meant to be interpreted by the viewer. If you think Luke is gay, of course he is. You should not be ashamed of it. Judge Luke by his character, not by who he loves."

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...kywalker-gay-jj-abrams-star-wars-episode-viii

 

Yep, just as Geminiwankenobi said, Yin and Yang are not in conflict with each other. They can't be. That goes against the entire philosophy, which posits that opposites complete each other, that they need each other. One cannot exist without the other. Here's a simple description from Wikipedia for you:

"In Chinese philosophy, Yin and Yang describes how opposites or contrary forces are actually complimentary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world—how they give rise to each other as they relate to one another."

This definitely relates to the fact that Rey and Ren's musical themes are interconnected. The last three notes of Ren's motif are the first three notes of Rey's motif with an added dissonance. Rey's theme corrects that dissonance and completes his theme when the two are played together. Musial language states that Rey "completes" and "corrects" Ren. Also, I'm sure most people here have heard this, but when you flip the three notes that connect Rey and Ren's themes, you get the first three notes of Anakin and Padme's love theme "Across the Stars". That is FASCINATING to me. Highly symbolic. There are no coincidences like that in orchestral music, not when John Williams is at the helm.

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Same here....
I was introduced to him upon first seeing 'The Force Awakens' and was intrigued by the character, as well as interested in the actor who portrayed him.
Did a little research and came across several interviews and that is where his appeal struck me.
Not his appearance, but his personality, wit, and intelligence that came through in those interviews.

And that voice....

It is clear he knows how to properly project his voice and pronounce his words as any proper stage actor would, but it's his vocal tone that is both soothing and charming.

View some interviews and really listen to what he is saying, and watch his body language.
It's all sorts of wonderful.

I was hooked after that.
Everything since has added to the appeal thus far.

 

Little_Boots, FrolickingFizzgig and all:

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A sneak preview of Kylo's dark side training:

 

I'm pretty sure that's actually real-life Rey, Kylo and Finn. Rey and Ren are teasing each other like crushing children and Finn has to resorted drinking because he's just that embarrassed by his companions.

 

I had just a couple thoughts about some things being discussed lately.
About Luke and his relationship to Ben/Kylo: I think probably Luke knows even more than Leia. So Han knows the least, then Leia, and then Luke knows the most about how/why Ben/Kylo turned than anyone. Even though it's pretty far-fetched, I have entertained the idea that Ben/Kylo and Luke are/were planning something together and somehow the plan went wrong...who knows?? Idk we better get tons of answers from Luke.

I am sure this idea has been thought of by someone, but Kylo putting his helmet down in the "ashes" or whatever they are in the interrogation seems important to me. It could symbolize that he will fall and then rise, like a Phoenix. It could also symbolize how Darth Vader was burned and essentially died in flame and turned to ash and now benkylo is rising from the legacy and ashes of his grandfather. He will rise above it and become what his grandfather never got the chance to become. I also think when he drops the mask when talking to Han it is supposed to remind us of how he set his mask down in the ashes and signal that this is his lowest moment, his burning into ash moment. He is lower than Rey and Finn, everything is red like fire. But he won't burn like Anakin. He won't be turned to ash forever like Vader. He will rise from this low point.... Idk could be reading waaaaay too much into that

 

This is a really cool interpretation of that scene.