ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Some people might thing they're actually adorable and well, it sell well with the kids.

 

My friend's dog goes nutty when he hears them. He starts barking at them and attacks the tv screen

 

Why would they show Kylo having emotional weaknesses to Rey or have her see them if they're just going to have her kill him in a standard hero defeats the villain SL.

It can be argued that she could use his weakness against him, but from what we've seen of Rey so far she doesn't seem the vindictive type to use a person's emotional weakness to her advantage in a physical fight, because if she did she'd loose part of what makes a hero a hero and become a more villainous character because it would be cruel to take advantage of it.

This is a random thought

 

Then she must be a Kenobi then. But I hope she's a Sky-Nobi. But I know that seems unlikely.

 

I even have this joke where this must be the exact thought of whoever gave Snoke that facial scars when the two faced off with each other. And it's funny Snoke is kinda look like a combination of Gollum and Voldemort. The trio of creepiness

 

This quote actually makes me think he'll want Rey to be his apprentice maybe because he sees in her more potential for Darkness than he does with Kylo yet at the same time she also has this innocent,childhood quality to her.
I wonder what he's reminiscing about?Maybe he was once close the getting that with Rey as a child but failed to do so because of her parents?I think there's some kind of a connection between him and Rey.He's never met her yet is able to enter in her mind(if that's indeed him who's trying to have Rey kill Kylo at Starkiller base).Plus isn't it kind of strange that he was introduced in the first movie of the ST while Palpatine appeared for theorist time on ESB.Snoke and Kylo also had a similar conversation to that Vader and Palpatinr had in ESB.Inwonder if this time the roles are reversed with Snoke being related to Rey instead of Kylo.
I don't know why I just like the irony Rey being his daughter/granddaughter/clarion that ultimately destroys him and is also fighting for the soul of Beb Solo.Why go for good vs evil cousin crap when you could have something like this.

 

OMG, that's pushing creepy to new levels. But it reveals a lot about Ben:

made of DS (Vader) and the Light (Leia)
Pure (Virgin!Kylo? No, I'm not starting that one again)
Strong (his powers are unprecedented)
Unbreakable (now this is a tough one cause Kylo's broken and damaged mentally courtesy of creeper Snoke)

 

Daisy Ridley said solitary is a clue to who she is. She didn't say it was a clue to her past or a clue to her origins.
I know that many people think about who Rey is only in terms of parentage, but she's more than that. And she's lonely, right? Kylo saw it in her mind.

The theory that she got her name from a helmet is just a theory. She was five when she was abandoned, she could well know her own name. (unless she was mind wiped ).

 

I have one thing to say to anybody fixated on the idea that Luke deserves to have his legacy carried on in the form of a biological child. The story they want already exists and has existed for years. In this existing story one can find:

1) Luke's love story.
2) A "good Skywalker vs. bad Skywalker" "brother/sister" plot scenario.
3) Luke's children.
4) The Skywalker family becoming something of a galactic dynasty.

And guess what? One doesn't even have to wait four years to find out what happens next!

How to find this story:


Lawrence Kasdan pretty much says it all in the following answer:

Q: "How much did you guys look at the extended universe and the extremely large canon of books that have been written around the Star Wars universe?"

Lawrence Kasdan: "I think it had more to do with [Return of the Jedi] and the continuation of IV, V, and VI. This is VII. I think we were aware and respectful of the canon, but we really wanted to tell a story that interested us and delighted us and we didn't really want any rules and parameters, particularly. We said, 'we can do anything we want with this story.' 'What would be the most fun thing to do on this page and the next page and the page after that?' That was the guiding principal more than the canon or anything that had come before."

LucasFilm threw away the Expanded Universe for a reason. They wanted to write without confining themselves to any specific canon (aside from the six movies). They wanted to explore new character trajectories for Luke, Leia, and Han. They wanted to tell a new story. Even before the movies came out, people were convinced Rey and Kylo would be revealed as the Solo twins. But why would the writers have thrown away the Jaina/Jacen Solo relative feud only to retell it with Rey and Kylo? Why would they toss out Mara Jade, a character many people seem to love, only to simplistically recreate her as Luke's long dead wife?

While discussing and contemplating the new canon, we have to say goodbye to large aspects of the EU. The writers will be influenced, surely, but taking small bits of inspiration is different from just retelling a story that's already been told.

For people who want to see Luke find love and create a family, the EU will always be here, but the Sequel Trilogy is not the place to look for a Luke centred narrative. This is not Luke's story.

 

Indeed! If that doesn't scream Obi Wan Kenobi, I don't know else does...

 

I can so c Luke breaking the Jedi code 4 one passionate night with Mara Jade Kenobi!

 

MyOnlyHope You hit the nail in the head. Rey Solo is relic of Jaina and Jacen Solo past while Rey Skywalker is relic of Luke and Mara Jade past. It's mostly EU fans who cannot accept that TFA created new canon where hero and villain aren't twin brother and sister even though they are in similar age bracket and where Luke may not be married with a kid.

Force22

ALL OF THIS! people are so predictable and go with the most obvious. "Who Rey is" = "who her parents are" not "who she is as a person" Therefore, SOLitary = SOLO, right? Must be...not. Rey Solo fiasco should be a lesson for everyone who drew conclusions from flashy but ultimately insignificant stuff (how actress worded her answer, where she sat during the first cast reading, callbacks to old movies in TFA, marketing). Whether something makes sense narratively is the only answer to everything. And for that, one must watch the movie and by that I mean watch the movie not fish for clues. Watch the movie, people.

Exactly.

 

Luke will be her mentor figure, like Obi was for him.

 

that was meeee who wrote the meta about OUAT and TFA. I started writing it about the villians and redemptions arcs but then I started seeing parallels between OUAT and TFA and got a little side tracked so I think it's a little disjointed.


But consider this:

• Adam & Eddy conceived of OUAT when they were working on Felicity as writers.
• JJ worked with them as well on Felicity.
• The three worked together again on Lost, though JJ was more executive producer than a writer.
• OUAT and TFA feature the Hero's Journey quite prominently.
• Emma was abandoned as a baby and raised in an uncaring foster system. On her 28th birthday, she wished upon a star to not be alone anymore.
• Rey dreamed of leaving Jakku after her family who abandoned her, finds her again.
• But from the start, we knew both characters were tough and could hold their own in a fight.
• They both had a character drag them away from their safe life into the Hero's Journey.
• They both had their first duels against skilled fighters who weren't trying to kill them and in the beginning things didn't go well for them. Hook immediately disarmed Emma within the first minute and Kylo Ren was able to back Rey up against the cliff drop off. But luck, street smarts or maybe a little help from the Force, they both were able to temporarily disable but not kill their opponents.
• The three main cast OUAT villians, Regina, Hook and Rumple all have redemption arcs and love interests.
• All three OUAT villians killed their own fathers.
• Both showcase the contrast of Light and Dark

 

Yeah!
Also, I think Snoke says unbreakable because he has tried to break him his whole life and yet somehow he still has a shred of independence, a bit of light, a bit of Ben in him. But that is the thing with the bad guys. If you don't resist them you aren't strong enough to be of use to them. Villains never admire those who succumb too easily.

 

She might as well be in ep X-XII

 

I'm pretty sure Kylo's perfect balance in light/dark power is canon. The Visual Dictionary says something about Snoke believing Kylo "is the ideal embodiment of the Force, a focal point of both light and dark side ability." Kylo Ren is a very special FS indeed.

 

C'mon, don't say Rey Solo fiasco... There were good reasons to believe Rey would be a Solo. There's the fact that she inherits the Falcon, and we knew it based on spoilers and pictures, and the fact that she seemed to be a legacy character, and cousin X cousin would be lame... Their positions on the poster, similar clothes, Han and Leia's theme all over the first trailer, TV trailer with Maz's voice over comparing eyes and close ups on Rey's and Han's eyes... There was the fact that Rey would see Han dying and it would make sense in terms of story. Story needs conflict. Losing a father would increase the conflict and motivations for Rey. Still, it kind of happened, since Han was her father figure. Still, just with the structure of the story, I thought it made more sense for Rey to be Han's than to be Luke's.

There were lots of very good reasons to think Rey would be a Solo. I personally never bought the Solotary theory. OTOH, I hated the idea that she had to be Luke's cause only then she'd be a Skywalker, and SW needs Skywalkers by name.

So the Rey Solo theory was not based on insignificant stuff.

I'm replying to you but not only to you. I get the idea that a lot of newbies think everyone thought Rey would be a Solo, and for stupid reasons, when it wasn't really like that.
In fact, on these boards, before the movie, Rey Skyalker camp was much bigger than Rey Solo. Twice as many people thought Rey would be Luke's daughter than Han and Leia's daughter. Rey Skywalker camp was based mainly on visual clues. Based on the spoilers, there was no parentage reveal, but a lot of people thought the end of the movie would be a father daughter reunion. In fact, many of these people still think they saw a father daughter reunion

Edit: Also, I must add that people on the Rey Solo camp were called Leia fangirls, delusional, not paying attention, with confirmation bias, etc. Right... Cause Rey Skywalker makes so much more sense... I mean, fine, according to them Daisy is the spitting image of Mark Hamill. How can you even counter such arguments?

And a lot of the same people are throwing abuse on people who support Reylo. I see a pattern. I like Luke, but I don't like Luke's fans. I'm going to celebrate when Rey is not a Skywalker.

 

I just want to add that JJ created Lost and although he wasn't the writer on the show, that show had several villains and not-so-good characters who all received redemption at the end, most notably Ben Linus. JJ also created Fringe where redemption arc for also big theme.

Force22 like I said, people bought into too obvious. they were deliberately fed the obvious and bought it line, hook and sinker. And then they watched the movie but they didn't really watch it cause Rey Solo goggles were still on. Hence why some fans thought that the reveal would happen in VIII even though that ship sailed in TFA. Again, if you actually watch the movie you will know that she is not a Solo because it makes no sense narratively to make her a Solo.

Narrative is everything which is why anything else is useless. There were never good reasons to believe that she is a Solo because we didn't see the movie. We only went with marketing and basing predictions on marketing is a recipe for errors.

I'm not trying to put down anyone but it'll help fans make more accurate predictions if they don't sugarcoat bad calls. Call flop a flop. Call fiasco a fiasco. Explain why it happened so that it doesn't next time. It's really simple.

Rian's tweet. This is Kylo with Gary, right? Lightsaber looks like his crossguard and dog's of course his mom's faithful companion.

 

She way well still end up being an Solo of the married kind!!!

I saw a reunion of a man and his past. One he was so desperately hiding from and I mean that in the something bad happened and he ran away - as Han said - Luke fled after his Padawan turned against him.

A bit like that expression that eventually everyone's past catches up with them.

 

It may just be a coincident but I heard that they are renting a ship vessel for a week in Dubrovnik right? And here we have a drawing of a boat with a figure holding a lightsaber, with a dog?! Some kind of clue here?! Chewbacca was inspired by George Lucas's dog so maybe it's a hinted?!

 

I hear an old friend is meeting Luke in Dubrovnik.....

 

I know you're not trying to put anyone down. It's not true we had only marketing. We had the basic structure of the narrative, so it wasn't based on Marketing. We knew the climax of the movie would be Han's death, followed by Rey's defeat of Kylo. We knew Luke was a coda. We knew everything, really, except the dialogue. Now, in the real world out there, maybe a lot of people thought Rey would be Han and Leia's, but they didn't even know Kylo was Han's son. Still, lots of people thought Rey would be Luke's just because he's the main hero of the OT.

Now, really, Rey Solo camp predicted that Rey would find and lose a father. How wrong was that?
Rey Skywalker camp predicted there would be an emotional father-daughter reunion, perhaps even with Mara Jade stopping by to say hi. (I'm not kidding). How right was that?

But, again, and it's not directed to you only, I'm going to disagree Rey Solo kept the googles. After TFA, 99% of the Rey Solo camp declared defeat, and recognized they were wrong. There's an eating crow thread on the TFA board, and most of us stopped by . I know cause we had a bet. Lots of Rey Solo people changed their avatars, even though the bet was cancelled (cause apparently it wasn't clear enough that Rey is not related to the OT3). I changed my avatar as well, but then I changed it back cause Kylo is cooler and because if Rey Skywalker camp was still clinging to weird convoluted theories, then I did not feel I had to declare defeat either.

Reactions after the movie was out are here: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/reys-parentage.50034963/page-25

 

I just watched parts of a press conference again and someone asked about the choice of the names of the characters. It's at about 29:00. Rey and Finn and Poe went through various iterations as mentioned in this thread a few times. But JJ says that Kylo Ren was set quite early on and there was a sort of backstory. I just find it fascinating because it sounds a lot like they built their story pretty much around Kylo Ren. Just saying...

That's also the video where AD says that Kylo Ren makes videos for his mom, is a great cook and a Scorpio. Joking of course. It starts at 6:40.

 

I'm starting to lean toward Rey being a Kenobi and more away from the Palpatine idea (but i do still love it - but maybe not for Rey) after watching this:-



This vid was made two months ago when it Rey Skywalker or Rey Solo were possibilities.

But there is something I'd not even thought about mentioned in it and thats the possibility of having a stand alone Obi-wan film. I'd love that - but would it be Ewan playing him!!!

Back to the actual subject of this thread Reylo I now really want the trilogy after this one to feature Kenobi-Skywalker-Solo kids (okay now back from far off day dreaming)