ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

IMO we should be cautious about making assumptions based on the playlists and even the EXO song. Those are marketing tools, and they will do all they can to sell whatever aspects of the story they think will make them money. The thing that it does tell us, in my opinion, is that someone has realized that Reylo can drum up interest and enthusiasm for the film, selling more copies and merchandise.

 

Hahaha....well he is a "Kylo" and not a virgin one

 

Yes. Best be cautious lest we want ruined expectations.

Tho interestingly, last time I checked out the playlists of Spotify, I remember Finn's playlist didn't have much in terms of love songs. Most were about adventure and fun and identity. There were a few love songs, but rather tame and aluded to his meeting Rey... Like mellow sweetheart songs or for a crush...but nothing straight forward or intense like what we see in Rey and Ren's playlists...

It kinda goes hand in hand with what we saw of Finn in TFA...whereas the other two playlists are all but subliminal intense emotions.

BB-8 still tops all them tho. His #1 song is Rolling in the Deep!

 

Well I for one am not being cautious! I have full faith and confidence in my Ship. Reylo has sailed! And I am going to have FUN with it! I am going to ENJOY the ride.

 

Kybro's theme song should be "Back in Black" by AC/DC

 

yeah, I ignore Spotify and such things because they are not a movie. They are designed to keep various shippers happy. I bet that trash ships also have their songs on Spotify so that really means nothing in terms of making accurate prediction. It's like when SW actors like shipper fanart. means nothing more than being nice to all fans.

I've been thinking something. lets say Ben was conceived on the night of Empire's fall. coincidence? we know that the Force moves in mysterious ways. Qui Gonn said that "The Force willed it [that we find the boy, Anakin]". And Anakin was to bring the balance of the Force. But maybe the balance isn't what everyone thinks it is. Didn't a visual guide or something call Ben Solo "a perfect embodiment of light and dark" or perfect balance or something along those lines? so something about it just bugs me to no end. Any thoughts?

 

Another hint Luke does not have children? I know she says "his father" but ...

 

I think he'll be some sort of Grey Jedi...but i think it has nothing to do with the night when he was conceived

 

Very interesting. Because if Ben was conceived on the night of Empire's fall, would that be the same day as Anakin's death? Is that what you're getting at? So do you think Anakin's legacy in terms of balance has been personified in Ben Solo?

 

^ Oh no, let's not have him be a reborn-Anakin literally! Eeek!

(Though Snoke could manipulate him to think that, hmmm.)

 

BB8's is the only one that i can listen to with any conviction. like, i like the actual music on it.

but generally, i'm hoping for some unrequited love on finn's side. and he'll be furious for her involvement with KR.

 

Sforza...... Thanks for confirming this....and even more thanks for revealing those details of the boy...it really allows us a small peek into the world of Ben Solo and what Rey gets to see of him. Now once the Bloodline novel gets released, we'll have more pieces of the puzzle...

Thanks I am also quite happy they're bringing back Naboo..we're returning to where it all began in the PT....and Naboo means a lot of beautiful buildings and scenery.

I think that although Han and Leia loved one another and were really good people, they were too focused on their other priorities to care for a child. I'm not saying they didn't love Ben Solo...I am sure they did. But Leia would have been re-building the government, hobnobbing with leaders and trade groups and fighting to keep the galaxy safe.I can imagine Han being most uncomfortable living in a mansion in Naboo and attending formal events. He must have run off at every opportunity, probably participating in races. Uncle Luke was of course re-building the jedi order and hopping around the galaxy with the likes of Lor San Tekka, and reading Ben Kenobi's diary.

Based on EU books, Ben Solo would have been brought up by droids like other affluent children. He would have been brought up as a prince and expected to behave like one. Maybe he wanted to be free and roam the stars with his father, but once his FS powers showed up, Han distanced himself even more. Even if Han said nothing, Ben would have read the 'too much Vader' emotions and it must have hurt.

Maybe he lashed out, maybe he didn't. But I don't think the reveal that Luke and Leia were Vader's children helped much. Then he saw his mother (and maybe him too) face assassination attempts. He must have wanted to protect Leia and he must have been angry that Han was not there for them.Han might have helped but maybe he just didn't know how and Leia being so independent might not have wanted or asked for help.

And it doesn't help matters that Snoke was somewhere in the background.I used to think Snoke was only in his head, but maybe he was part of Leia's circle and encouraged Ben to learn about his grandfather.

Kylo uses Form V in lightsaber dueling with Rey....it is the same as Annakin/Vader's style...someone must have given him holos of Annakin/Vader's fights and he must have learnt it...but he isn't proficient at fighting...so I think he is more used to fight practice droids and not fighting real people. (This makes me think Snoke has not taught him much as yet)


Holo of Annakin fighting

I am almost 100% certain injured Kylo will be placed in swimming trunks into a bacta tank so that all the Kylo fans can see his 8 pack

And I predict- either he himself will come out of the tank early and when asked about it, he will say he wants some of the scar to remain to remind him not to show compassion....or Snoke will order the FO people to take him out early and leave a scar to remind Kylo not to show weakness. Either way, Kylo will have a scar.....and it will be one that makes him look attractive, not some orc type scar.

I am really hoping Rey and Kylo get stranded in space when Kylo tries to take Rey to Snoke...after trying to kill each other, they will have to get along and work together to survive....and then their feelings for one another will grow....

Yes, Palpatine is from one of the noble families of Naboo......since Naboo doesn't have a hereditary monarchy, the noble families there are the equivalent of royalty....so Palpatine was also technically a royal....so between him and Darth Maul, there was plenty of dark residual energy for Kylo to imbibe.

I like the Peeta analogy....maybe he was under control but every time his family (and now Rey) appear, his true nature briefly overrides Snoke's indoctrination. The thought of Kylo having only Vader's burnt old skull for company is depressing.....what a horrible, sad and lonely life! And people talk of how someone like this must be killed off.....

Aaaargh vaderito....you're breaking my heart with this pic!!!

 

Funny how you construct your line like that...wouldn't it be somehow ironic if Snoke is Palpatine and has succeed to turn another Skywalker to the dark side....again... infront of everybody's noses...again?

 

Yeah, the point you made about Kylo in the VD ("The Suprme Leader believes Ren to be an ideal embodiment of the force, a focal point of both dark and light side ability") makes me wonder too.

In the OT, it always seemed to me that bringing "balance to the Force" meant irradiating the dark side, as if the light side was the Force's true nature. However, that doesn't seem to be the case in the ST and it doesn't make sense anyway. I feel the ST will explain the Force as being the light and the dark in balance (hence Snoke's belief Kylo is the ideal embodiment due to his ability for light and dark), but who knows... I'm hoping we get a good explanation in the next movies.

 

I'm not even sure what I'm getting at. I just know this. Anakin was born around the time when Palpatine became the Senator aka Sith infiltrates good guy's domain. Now, we know that another Sith manipulated the Force to create life but according to Qui Gonn, the Force seems to be sentient. "the Force willed it".The Force has its own will. So implication, from my POV which may not be correct, is that the Force wanted Anakin to be created. it isn't Darth Plagueis' will as much as the Force's that made this possible. he was just placed on the path of creating Anakin because the Force willed it. Like the Force willed it that Rey and Ren met by putting them on the path that intersected in Takodana forest.

So my observation is that FS children are conceived prior to a major event that creates disturbance in the Force. Children that are meant to correct it. Anakin arrives at the time of Palpatine rise. Than Anakin starts to fall into the DS but Padme gets pregnant with Luke and Leia. Anakin and Luke defeat the Emperor, Ben solo is conceived the very night (I've no doubt about that), is born, Snoke begins his toxic influence. There's almost a pattern to this. Old Evil/young innocent child. They always come together. Child is always meant to defeat the evil even if he/she falls into the darkness along the way.

Wait a minute! By the age of 10, Ben Solo could have fallen deep enough into darkness that it called for another FS child to be born - Rey.

 

Mark Hamill can't stop teasing anymore - sorry, don't know how to include it as a pic:
https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/709407880542339072

 

Ha! Furious? He is too busy flirting with a girl on a Magic Space Horse.

 

It would be interesting to see him worried about Rey because he doesn't trust Kylo at all (well, at least in the begining)

 

This is exactly why I wonder if Rey was born earlier and got stuck in some time warp....Ezra Bridger, Luke and Leia were all born exactly when Order 66 was implemented.....Ben Solo was born within a year of the Empire falling and at the time the battle of Jakku ended.....the FO weren't even active ten years after the battle of Endor and Ben Solo hadn't become Kylo Ren as yet...wouldn't it be logical for Rey and Kylo to be born around the same time considering they have two sides of the force....the ten year difference doesn't make sense (unless some event is revealed that we're not yet aware of)...and if they were supposed to be the same age, then bye bye Rey Skywalker....

 

i'd be super-surprised if he trusted kylo...

i'm hazy on the whole... i don't think kylo can go back to the resistance and just say hello and all shall be well.

to my knowledge (patchy) they never actually interpreted that prophecy. it was only obi-wan's line that gave them away...

but really, the jedi must have just assumed. silly jedi. complacent jedi. arrogant jedi.

 

going back to VD quote, maybe because, as a perfect embodiment of light and dark, Ben didn't need a light counterpart...until it became obvious that Snoke took hold of him. I mean, what is Snoke? he isn't a Sith so maybe some new evil that even the Force wasn't aware of. hence why for 10 years they didn't need another to help Ben correct himself or something.

moreover, since Snoke was trying to eradicate Ben's love for his family, most logical new FS would be a non-family member. Snoke feared compassion that brought Anakin back to the light, which is familial love. But he neglected the power of that other love that's clearly taking hold of Kylo. This is where Beauty and the Beast plot kicks in. Snoke turned young Ben into a beast so the Force willed Belle.

 

I can picture it now....Finn and the new girl literally riding off into the sunset with A Whole New World playing in the background...

But seriously, I think Finn might initially not be happy if Reylo happens but he seems a very kind-hearted person and especially if he believes Kylo was brainwashed by Snoke, he might even feel bad for him....considering the FO did something similar to him.

 

I think it would be incredibly difficult for Finn and Kylo Ren to establish any kind of trust. To Kylo, Finn is a traitor who gets between him and The Girl, and who initiated all of Kylo's problems due to Kylo's ill-considered moment of mercy on Jakku. To Finn, Kylo is a representative of a life he left behind, and a malevolent force trying to capture His Girl.

If film time is going to be dedicated to restoring broken relationships, I think more can be gotten out of rebuilding Rey and Kylo's, or Kylo's and Leia's, or even Kylo/Chewie or Kylo/Luke. And Finn and Kylo can become, perhaps distrustful allies out of necessity.

 

No, I understand you completely. That would make a lot of sense.

I have spent so much time trying to consolidate different notions of what 'balance of the Force' refers to and how they relate to Kylo being the embodiment of the light and dark side. I just don't know how Ben Solo's birth could correct the balance of the Force that Anakin had restored. It seems to me that after Anakin died, there is a blank slate in the Force, and that neither the Dark or the Light has won. So Ben Solo being conceived and serving as the embodiment of the Light and the Dark means that he has great potential for either side. So his agency and his free choice matters. This means if Snoke knew this, he could manipulate Kylo for his own use.

 

You have a point...maybe the balance of good and bad in Ben started tilting towards the dark side when he was ten so the force sent Rey to restore the balance..but not within the same family or Snoke would have got hold of Rey as well.