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Saga Holy Bible and Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by ForceIsStrong, Apr 8, 2016.

  1. ForceIsStrong

    ForceIsStrong Jedi Youngling

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    Some Holy Bible references in Star Wars:
    Jedidiah (name, means "Beloved by God" - Jedi
    En-Dor (Old Testament land) - Battle of Endor
    Yoda (Hebrew characters Yod (numerical 10) and Aleph (numerical 1)). So is 101 or |0| = Absolute Zero. Same as Merovingian in "The Matrix" series.g
    Anakin - An Alpha Kin. - Alpha and Omega. Might be stretching it with this one.
    Luke - Gospel of Luke
    Vader - reDAV, 5 letters, beginning with DAV, and the additional 2 would then be "id", as in David, City of David, King David
    Ben Kenobi - Benjamite (Israelite) and Kenite, first 3 letters of each. And obi=boi/boy, thus a Benjamite(Israeli)/Kenite boy.
    Palpatine - 9 letters, change "pa" to "es" to get Palestine (though Palestine is a recent name, non-Old Testatment). Might be stretching it with this one.
    That's it for now.

    Forgot one more, and might be stretching it also:
    Han Solo - 7 letters, change "an" to "mo" and you get Solomon, King David's son. Nothing more than a name, has no relation to the context of the story of Han Solo being a king's son.
     
  2. Ezon Nun

    Ezon Nun Jedi Padawan star 1

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    anakinfan edit: Let's stay on topic and not mock other users.
     
  3. ForceIsStrong

    ForceIsStrong Jedi Youngling

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    anakinfan edit: Nope. Inappropriate.
     
  4. ForceIsStrong

    ForceIsStrong Jedi Youngling

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    So now back to fun stuff, if someone else doesn't try to hurt their brain coming up with something to say and instead could pitch-in:

    Michael - LEAHcim - remove the cim/mic and you get Leah
     
  5. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Thread moved to Saga In-Depth. Please keep all discussion on parallels between the stories in the Bible and the mythology of Star Wars, not on either mocking or promoting Christianity itself.
     
  6. ForceIsStrong

    ForceIsStrong Jedi Youngling

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    I don't think I promoted Christianity at all, nor mentioned it (how can one promote a religion if he/she doesn't mention it. If you mean the Bible, well, that's a book, is it not?). I certainly did not mock Christianity.

    Ah well, try something fun and everyone gets all serious. Take it easy all.
     
  7. Sarge

    Sarge 5x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    The Gospel of John has some good stuff about light overcoming darkness in chapter 1.
     
  8. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This prophetic quote was used to open the second and third drafts of 'The Star Wars' (it was replaced in the fourth draft by "a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away an incredible adventure took place..."). While it's not, to my knowledge, a reference to any actual Biblical content, it's clearly meant to evoke a Bible quote.
     
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  9. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Couple more:

    Anakim - a race of giants mentioned in the Old Testament, the name possibly deriving from a Hebrew term meaning strength or stature. This seems rather coincidental, as the name 'Anakin' was originally spelled 'Annikin' in the Rough Draft of 'The Star Wars' (Annikin Starkiller basically being the earliest version of Luke, but very different in terms of personality). Later, in a private interview from 1977, GL specified that Luke Skywalker's father was named Annikin.
    Although it was later denied by GL/LFL, the name appears to have been directly inspired by that of British film director Ken Annakin, who directed a number of war and adventure films. It's quite possible that the change in spelling for ROTJ came about with GL researching religious and mythological texts at that time and discovering the term 'Anakim', but given how minor (and somewhat meaningless) the differences between 'Annikin', 'Annakin' and 'Anakin' are, it's difficult to understand exactly why the change came about.

    Endor - as mentioned by the OP, it's a city mentioned in the Old Testament - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endor_(village) - and there's even a 'Witch of Endor'. However, it's worth noting that it's also the Quenyan (High Elvish) term used in The Lord of the Rings to refer to Middle-Earth itself (Tolkien almost definitely would have taken it from the Bible).
    It would be quite easy to jump to the conclusion that GL would have been more likely to have come across the term in LOTR, which enjoyed a massive revival in the 1970s - he even toyed with the notion of casting little people for SW at one point, and would later develop Willow instead. Even so, I'm more inclined to think that if he was researching deeper mythological and religious texts (rather than just pulp novels and comic books) by the time of ROTJ, he could have just as easily come across it in the Bible, and taking a name from the Bible may have seemed a bit more appropriate than pinching one from a still-popular modern fantasy novel.
     
  10. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Star Wars and The Bible share a deeper aspiration:

    The work of Jorge Luis Borges belongs to the tradition of literature with cosmic ambition: the Bible, the Iliad, the Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, Ulysses, etc.—the works that strive to convey complete universes, containing everything. They’re contingent upon (and thus imply the belief in) the totality of language: all of history, all of memory, all of current cosmology and/or theology, all the unbreakable continuity of human experience can be deposited and narrated in language. Indeed, in such works language seems to be able to cover the perpetual entirety of the past, present, and future and involve the real, the imagined, and all that is in between. They offer crucial evidence that it is utterly impossible to conceptualize humanity without literature. Their philosophical/ethical/aesthetical ambition demands total commitment from the reader—an ideal reader would devote his/her entire life to the exegesis of, say, Joyce’s Ulysses, thereby erasing all the nonreaderly aspects of his/her existence.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-jorge-luis-borges-s-funes-the-memorious.html

    You might think it's preposterous to draw a link between Star Wars and those other works: formidable pieces of literature (versus some trashy "Flash Gordon" homage?).

    But it's also true of Star Wars when you look at how visually and mythically dense it is, its fantastic impact on popular culture, all the ancillary material -- video games, books, comics, magazines, posters, fan art, etc. -- and even the existence of this discussion forum.

    And as Disney presses on with its various film projects, Star Wars is rapidly accumulating new mythic dimensions, new vortices of meaning, new fans, new acolytes.

    One day, it would be cool to see something like Hesiod's "Theogony", or Tolkien's "The Silmarillion", for Lucas' humble space saga.

    The Internet and Wookiepedia are already, in some sense, causing such a work to gradually emerge.

    Ridiculous? Impossible? Yeah, that's what they said in 1976.
     
  11. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    It's actually a collection of books. ;)
     
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  12. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Kanan (from Rebels) - According to the Hebrew Bible, the Kenites (/ˈkiːnaɪt/; Hebrew: קינים, Hebrew pronunciation: [qeˈnim]) were a nomadic clan in the ancient Levant. One of the most recognized Kenites is Jethro, a priest in the land of Midian.[1] They played an important role in the history of ancient Israel. The Kenites were coppersmiths and metalworkers.
     
  13. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    You should look into "The Essential Atlas"... a little of it is outdated now, with the reboot, but it's the best work of Star Wars compiling everything together to reveal one created universe that I've ever read or seen.
     
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  14. AshiusX

    AshiusX Jedi Knight star 3

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    I think the word ''bible'' comes from the Greek word for library.
     
  15. darth_frared

    darth_frared Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    in some ways star wars behaves like scripture to me. it has features of the old testament and the new testament, without wanting to go into which particular films does what.

    it is sort of scripture as an experience, rather than lore, which is why it is so immediate and otherworldly.
     
  16. Kyffhaeuser

    Kyffhaeuser Jedi Youngling

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    Since the Bible scriptures as we know them today are the products of repeated translation, is it possible George might have intended "the Son of the Suns" to be a phrase deriving from a Tolkienesque translation error - where 'son' was substituted for a gender-neutral word in another language? Thinking along the lines of 'Azor Ahai' in A Song of Ice and Fire here.
     
  17. Darth_Nub

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    Although I see your point about gender-neutral words being mistaken and misinterpreted, ASOIAF being a perfect example, I doubt very much that GL was working on that sort of level. It's simply a Biblical-style quote, complete with chapter and verse, mentioning a Messianic figure. The 'Son of Suns' appears to be reference to the twin suns of Tatooine, but I don't think there's much more to it than that - it's just a mythical-sounding reference to the hero of the overall story at the time, one Luke Skywalker.

    FWIW, GL has actually disowned the line as having any reference to the actual story of the Skywalker family, and he's confirmed that it's got nothing to do with the prophecy of the Chosen One. It's merely an abandoned concept, despite the EU having taken possession of it for some alien race.
     
  18. steelneena

    steelneena Jedi Master star 1

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    Star Wars has always been characterized in terms of Genre - it is classic in literary style, while having the setting of a sci-fi film. That setting does not sci-fi make. So, indeed, these comparisons make far more sense (and make many storytelling choices far more logical) when Star Wars is viewed as a film saga done in the style of classic literature.
     
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  19. Binary_Sunset

    Binary_Sunset Force Ghost star 5

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    I think it's more likely that Lucas got Jedi from Edgar Rice Burroughs's John Carter/Barsoom series. That series has both Jed and Sith!
     
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