ST Andy Serkis (Supreme Leader Snoke) in the ST

You're right that Plagueis didn't create Anakin; the Force did. But it created him specifically because of Plagueis and Sidious. So in that way, the entire Saga is due to the actions of the two of them. They were the reason the Force was thrown so far out of balance that the Chosen One was born at that time of Galactic History. Their actions precipitated Anakin's birth so in that respect, the entire Saga is due to the problems that they directly caused.

 

correct. (i was more focusing on the 'family/father' thing, while also attributing the Saga to not just Plagueis, but to Sidious just as equally) which is another reason why i believe that 'balance' is no sith (seeing as though only 2 threw it so far off - and we know that there were sith well before Plagueis and Sidious too), while others still maintain that its a literal balance of both.... but thats another topic. for the threads sake, we should not go down this road haha

 

What do you guys thinking off Snoke being a ancient uber dark side being?

 

If he's not Plagueis, then I'm all for him being an ancient uber powerful dark side being. It's the only real way to raise the stakes above Sidious' power.

 

Maybe Snoke is just a Joke?
A ridiculous opportunistic upstart dazzler that used the vacuum on leadership after Sidious
and simply gets wiped away by Kylo in ep8 when Kylo discovers the truth

 

Ugh, gotta say that would be a huge letdown for me. Not really all that interested in Ben being the trilogy's Big Bad anymore than I would have been interested in Vader being the ultimate big bad of the previous six films. Ben doesn't even have the gravitas of Vader, he's just some whiny individual. Plus, Han has already laid out that Snoke is using Ben for some purpose and will discard him when he's through with him. That tells me that Snoke is the one really in charge and Ben is nothing more than a tool for Snoke to use to achieve whatever his real aims are.

 

Wouldn't it be fun to see a complete insane unpredictable choleric out of control maniac Kylo in control in ep9?

 

Im leaning towards snoke being the new canons version of the Rakata.

 

Snoke looks this way because he had one too many smoke.

sorry

 

Maybe Snoke is Lor San Tekkas brother?

 

The problem with making Snoke just some poser is:

-Nothing about him in TFA indicates that. EVERYONE treats him like a big deal/serious problem (both heroes and villains).

-Unless you do it really well, you risk undermining your new heroes. Basically a case of "oh the old heroes got to take down the actual powerful villains, whereas the new ones just get stuck dealing with these loser wannabes." And the whole "trying to live up to the legacy of the past, but not really understanding it" works well for Kylo and the FO as an organization. But I feel like Snoke should be, worth all the mystery/buildup that they're doing with him.

 

Not really. I really dislike completely crazy villains. Give me machiavellian all-powerful schemers and geniuses.

 

I thought the premise of the question was Kylo being the sole head and a mad dog essentially. Having him function as Snoke's mad dog though...that's an interesting dynamic.

 

I was under the assumption that everyone thought the force created Ani when it was really Plagueis. On the ROTS commentary the producer says when Palpatine talks about Plagueis' ability to create life, it was the "reveal of Anakin's origin". I'd say that's pretty good evidence

 

I think they deliberately left that a mystery. The Darth Plagueis novel was stated in marketing materials (at the time of release) to be canon at the highest levels. A lot of people took this to mean that it was on par with the films (and by extension, the commentary). Plagueis in the novel was doing unnatural experiments with the Force, throwing it out of balance and experimenting with the midichlorians. It was never stated there that he created Anakin on purpose. He theorized that Anakin had been borne of the Force as a way of it striking back against Sidious and himself for what they were doing but it was ambiguous enough that it could also have been Plagueis creating Anakin inadvertently during his experimentation.

Either way though, whether Plagueis created Anakin or the Force created Anakin to stop Plagueis and Sidious (as is hinted in the canon Tarkin novel), the fact remains that Anakin's purpose as the Chosen One in bringing balance to the Force was directly related to stopping Plagueis and Sidious.

 

One of the problems with Snoke is that we don't even have an idea of if he's really that size or not. If he's just creating a certain holo effect or if that's what he looks like just in a smaller human size.

I'm going with the idea that he might be from Rakata -Prime like King maul said. Though my other theory still stands that he's like Eternal Emperor from TOR because that some what fits what he could be using Ben for.

 

he's not 25 feet tall!

 

I believe JJ or Serkis stated in an interview that Snoke is actually around 7 ft. tall.

 

I heart 7 to 8 feet myself.

 

Yeah, Neal Scanlan said that the digital model was scaled to be somewhere between 7 and 8 feet tall.

"We looked at him as sort of an arbitrary height," he said. "What would a character like this feel like? If he was six or seven feet tall, does he have the presence? So when we were designing him and maquetting him, we worked on that sort of scale, because he gave us an emotional connection to that. Then the idea would be, in post, that J.J. could kind of configure him at whatever scale he felt was the right way to go forward. So we looked at him being very much at the seven- to eight-foot mark, because that suited us."

http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2016/0...wakens-could-snoke-have-been-done-practically

 

Is this official canon or fan theory?

 

canon.

 

A prophecy misread, could have been.

 

May I ask the source for this? Not saying I don't believe you; just saying I have never heard it stated anywhere that we know Anakin's birth origins other than what Shmi told us in TPM.