ST Darth Plagueis is Snoke? (Episode VIII & IX)

Not really because having a different name does not make you a new character

 

Or it could simply be that he's "new" in that he has never actually appeared in the films or any canon material. Just name dropped.

All Pablo said was that "yeah, Andy Serkis said he's a new character." So how do we know that Serkis even knows he's brand new and never before seen or mentioned? Everyone pointing out that most people would react to a Plagueis reveal with the question "who?" indicates to me that they would consider that person a "new" character as well. Perhaps when Serkis said Snoke is new, he never even realized that a character named Plagueis existed.

Pablo has been asked numerous times whether Snoke is or ever was Darth Plagueis. And he has never once gave an answer to that question. All he does is say that Plagueis is dead. He is deliberately avoiding answering that question. That in no way means that Snoke is Plagueis of course, but it also means that Pablo won't answer it and wants to let the film/books tell that story.

And anyway, what harm does us continuing to theorize about him do to any of you guys. We are entitled to continue theorizing until the film explicitly gives us Snoke's background. If believing him to be Plagueis allows us to actually enjoy TFA, why are you so gung-ho to take that away from us. For some of us, that belief actually makes the movie better or simply watchable. It seems like a lot of people on these boards take some weird pleasure in trying to ruin that for us. It seems to be some very angry and vehement anti-EU sentiment and those of us who want the inclusion of elements of that are the enemy. It makes no sense.

If you guys don't like the theory, why even respond to us.

Nothing outside of a definitive backstory in the films or other media will change our minds. And nothing will change your minds. So just let it be. If the topic comes up and you don't like it, just ignore the comments and create a new post to discuss. But this is clearly one of the most popular

 

Not me. I've been a strong proponent that Snoke is The Emperor for quite a while now. Same essence, different body!

In writing terms, if a character claims to know the secret to surviving death, AT SOME POINT IN THE STORY HE SHALL DO IT. :>.

Having Plagueis actually be a character in these new films would be silly in any form other than Red Herring to mask who he really is. In general, when you have a huge myth-making story about a fight against a Dark Evil, the Dark Evil dies at the end of the story. If you extend the story, then the Dark Evil didn't really die, he only transformed into something else so that your new protagonist-related characters can actually finish Dark Evil at the new end of the story. If you're going to have a story containing multiple Dark Evils, you might as well put them in two different stories. Its just bad writing to replace one that has a lot of notoriety, with one nobody has ever heard of. Doable? Ya.. ok. But very bad writing if you don't absolutely have to. And in no way do they have to.

 

I would expect them to come out and say he's Plagueis in 8. Then in 9 its revealed to be The Emperor, who was masking himself as Plagueis to confidants like Kylo, a Darth nobody had heard of in case it got out, and Snoke to the general public, so he didn't get burned at the stake for being The Emperor. He had to protect his true identity in the same way that Palpatine didn't exactly run around telling everyone he was a Sith Lord. He only revealed himself when he reached full power and took control of the galaxy. By the time you find out who that guy really is, its too freaking late.

So ya... Plagueis is dead. Doesn't mean they can't use that history.

 

Snoke is Trump who is Clinton who is A clone of Palpatine who is Plagueis who is Revan who is a Jedi or a Sith now (depending on how you played KOTOR)

 

This isn't canon. Plagueis' real name has not been revealed in what has been established as the current continuity.

 

That's kind of lame if Disney's idea for de-canon-izing the EU for the sole reason that they can then rewrite all their EU stories their own way. Even the OT3's stories were similar to what they did in the EU.

 

Very well said.

It just harmless speculation to have fun, while we wait for Episode VIII. It is because of this arrogant attitude against the Snok = Plagueis theory, that I hope it is true.

 

You could spin this around and so your being ignorant of facts if you believe the theory, but I know where that conversation leads so I won't partake in it further. we will just have to wait until either episode 8 or 9 proves this theory false or correct.

 

All in all he looks a bit spastic.
Did anyone yet think he could be Syphedias?

 

"[Plagueis] is not in a story so I wouldn't put much weight on [how he looks]"

-Pablo Hidalgo

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/728977244329107456

 

Careful, you'll have the PC brigade on you for saying spas..oh wait up, this ain't Twitter lol

 

I have a colleague that is spastic - nothing bad at all - poor nice guy
But this picture ...

 

I'll admit. Snoke's design was completely underwhelming. I expected something so much better visibly. But, you know, whatever *shrug*. It is what it is. Why waste time ****ing and moaning about something you can't change? You either go with and accept it? Or drive yourself mad complaining lol

 

Read the context of that answer. He was saying that Lucas saying that Plagueis is a Muun wasn't in a story (and his species isn't confirmed in a canon story now either). So we're not to take his species to heart. He didn't say that Plagueis isn't in a story.

 

Yep that is what makes me a little suspicious is how these questions are answered and the apparent frustration with them sometimes. It will continue until he can be fully ruled out.

 

Whenever I see a Pablo quote it's either shoddy or its straight up. This one seems shoddy..

 

Believe it or not, when you read the entire thread instead of picking out a quote like the poster did and inserting terms that aren't what Pablo was talking about, he's actually fairly on point here. It's the words that the poster put in brackets that are shoddy. I went back and read the whole thread. Someone was asking Pablo about Plagueis' species and Lucas saying he was a Muun. Pablo said that the species wasn't named in a movie (the quote was It's inside the bracket not Plagueis) so that fact is what he is referring to not mattering since it wasn't in a movie or piece of current canon material.

But agree on the whole with your broader statement for sure.

 

But only the name pretty much is Canon so he can be anything JJ wants him to be.

 

Yep, the official canon facts that we know about Plagueis are:

1. He's male.
2. His name is Darth Plagueis.
3. He was Sidious' Sith Master.
4. He theorized that the Force would strike back at Sidious and Plagueis.
5. He had some idea that one Sith was to be the bait to lure the Dark Side while the other mastered/captured it. Not entirely clear on this point. I need to reread that section of Tarkin to better understand what Sidious was talking about.

 

Does Pablo just ignore the question or answer with something that isn't a direct 100% no when asked a question as specific as " Did Palpatine ever serve as the apprentice of the dark side user who is now known as Supreme Leader Snoke?" I have seen a few directed at him like that and he would get annoyed with them and brush them off usually but didn't directly answer.

 

THIS. This is the point I've been making all along. Why can't we just have our fun? Besides, at this point there's just as much evidence to support this theory, as there is to debunk it. It's anyone's guess at this point. I've also read statements about how it's being viewed as a cult theory, but it's much more prominent than that, based on polls and whatnot. Looks like almost half the fan base-that's no niche cult!

And I've heard some way more crazy theories than this one anyway. No one can ever come straight out and say yes or no to him being plagueis- it's always some answer that maybe comes close sometimes but doesn't quite give a true answer to the question. And besides, what is Pablo going to say? If it's true of course he can't say yes. But if it's not true there's no reason that you can't just say no instead of being all cryptic about it. And he was not the only one that's been cryptic about it in the past – remember the panels reaction back during celebration Anaheim last year.

 

Not me. I still believe the Plagueis stuff but I try not to be annoying about it.

And nice pun.

 

Guys we were all wrong
https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/729352019257876480?lang=en

 

I am ignorant of facts? This is the arrogant attitude I was talking about.