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ST What color should Rey's lightsaber be?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Darth Doop, Dec 5, 2015.

  1. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    I think a tartan lightsaber is the way to go
     
  2. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Ssshhhh! We don't talk about that. :)
     
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  3. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    Helicopter darksaber to be Luke's weapon of choice in episode VIII
     
  4. JabbatheHumanBeing

    JabbatheHumanBeing Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Yes. And he can fly IN SPACE. That way, Rian can reuse the footage of his severed hand and saber falling to a planet's surface. Ending of Episode VIII confirmed.
     
  5. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    You're both banned, forever.
     
  6. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    I'm hoping for a double bladed lightsaber. Color? Hmmmm...I suppose it would be nice to have a new color, if so I'd pick orange. But if traditional, green.
     
  7. JabbatheHumanBeing

    JabbatheHumanBeing Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Well, in that case:

    [​IMG]
     
  8. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Force Ghost star 5

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    "I can't drown my demons"
     
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  9. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    I wasn't thinking like the darksaber, but a movie style saber, with black instead of blue, green, etc.
     
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  10. JabbatheHumanBeing

    JabbatheHumanBeing Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    That's exactly what I like about it. Almost as if it's a tear in the fabric of the universe, contained within a blade. There's something very unsettling about it. And in that sense, it really does feel like the "absence of light," rather than a piece of solid black material, which I find appealing on a visceral level. A shard of space's emptiness as a weapon. Negating life with a touch of vacuum.

    It's one of the few "variations" from Star Wars ancillary material that I think is on a similar novelty/ memorability level as its OT equivalents.
     
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  11. Plainview

    Plainview Jedi Knight star 1

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    I agree. It's like a black hole, pulling in light so only absolute blackness remains. It also looks better when moving than in stills, I think.

    I like the idea mentioned above, about going for a subtle different shade of blue/green. I can see Rey with a light blue saber, would be nice and fresh but familiar.

    Also, if Rey gets her own saber, could we see Luke dual wielding his RotJ saber and Anakin's at the same time? That would be pretty cool.
     
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  12. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    That really doesn't work though. In theory, it might, but seeing it realized on screen? No. Black simply isn't glowing. It would just look like a black saber made out of cotton instead of energy.
     
  13. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    [​IMG]

    It actually looks a bit better than I thought it would, but it would definitely only work in very specific lighting
     
  14. Jolee Bindo

    Jolee Bindo Jedi Master star 3

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    I'd like to see a real icy, silvery blue.

    We already got a weird sabre with Kylo, so I wouldn't write off Rey getting something novel.
     
  15. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    There's more to the look of a lightsaber blade than a blurred line on a gray background though.

    If you know Photoshop or After Effects, then you're probably familiar with Blending Modes. That has to do with the compositing in a picture/video. When making a lightsaber blade, you should always have the Blending Mode set to Screen. That way, it appears as an actual beam of light, rather than something that has been drawn onto the picture.
    That also means that a lightsaber will effectively disappear in front of a bright background. This is how, when two lightsber blades cross, you see a cross of white, without the colour of the lightsaber closest to the camera overlapping the white center of the other lightsaber. In short, it makes a lightsaber look real, as opposed to a cartoon effect.
    This also means that black won't ever work as a lightsaber colour. Let me show you a few examples:

    Hamill's saber I coloured cyan/blue to show what a regular lightsaber looks like in front of this background. Prowse's saber just looks like a blurred white line, but is actually made with the exact same method as Hamill's - only with a black blade.
    [​IMG]

    Against a somewhat brighter background you'll get this:
    [​IMG]
    Again, the lightsaber on the right is actually black.

    Without the Screen Blending Mode - this is what you'd end up with:
    [​IMG]
    Now, you might think this looks decent, but what if we were to switch off the Screen mode on the first picture?

    [​IMG]
    Not great, eh?

    One last try - if you were to keep the Screen mode on the blue lightsaber, but not on the black saber (and let's move the black saber to be the one closer to the camera to emphasize the effect):
    [​IMG]
    Yeah, no.

    Black will never be a lightsaber colour - the closest you'll ever get is the TCW darksaber.
     
  16. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    It's always good to be put right on a point by someone who really knows what they're talking about. That makes total sense, and I agree - I was surprised how effective my crude little sketch looked, but yeah, it's deffo not something that'd work on screen at all going by what you've shown there. Also I might utilise the blending mode on my drawing app (procreate on iPad, not photoshop) to draw the lightsabers on my big illustration project after reading this. Cheers
     
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  17. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Glad I could be helpful :)
     
  18. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    Woah, I just drew a couple of quick lightsaber blades using blending mode set to screen; If the illustration I'm doing ends up looking good, you'll be directly responsible - that's almost magical, it almost feels like cheating :D

    Possibly a stupid question, but can you explain exactly what is going on with that process then? I mean, as it is, that feature in procreate seems almost designed to be "draw cool lightsabers", but I'm guessing there's a more practical regular usage that relates to how a layer intended to draw light can interact with the values directly underneath?
     
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  19. Plainview

    Plainview Jedi Knight star 1

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    This is a pretty crude example I mocked up, but I think it works ok:

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    the darksaber from tcw was cool because it was an actual blade that was black. a lightsaber is made of light it can't be black.
     
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  21. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    If you think that works, then fair enough - I'm not going to argue with you about that.

    But for me, that doesn't look good at all, honestly. I think the blades look painted on - not as something that's part of the shot.

    EDIT:
    Sorry, I didn't see your edit until now. I'll try to explain as well as I can.

    I actually use Screen mode for quite a lot of things when working with images.
    What Screen does is essentially to lighten the image.
    I can give you an example: If you have a picture of an object in front of a window, and you then want to add a lense flare (que the JJ jokes) coming from the window to make it appear like the sun is shining straight at the camera, what you can do is to just add in a picture of a lenseflare on a black background onto you original picture. This will obviously give you a big black rectangle with a flare on it on top of your picture. If you then change the flare layer to Screen, the black will dissappear, because the Screen mode only keeps the pure white in the lenseflare unchanged, while it makes the pure black transparent. Any shade between the pure black and the pure white will become appropriatly semi-transparent, leaving lighter colours looking naturally transparent - and the composite will look real.

    I don't know if I explained that well enough, so what the heck - here's an illustration of exactly what I just described:

    Original picture:
    [​IMG]

    With a picture of a lenseflare on a black background on top of it:
    [​IMG]

    Then I just hit Screen on the lensflare layer:
    [​IMG]

    This process took less than five minutes (including taking the picture). It's a very powerful tool that's useful for many things, and once you've learned how to use it, it's hard to imagine how you ever did without it.

    I hope this clears it up for you :)

    Now, back on topic :p
     
  22. Plainview

    Plainview Jedi Knight star 1

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    Perhaps you're right. Isn't that kind of the point of black though, to stick out and look 'wrong'? Not saying it's viable in reality but I'm not adverse to it.

    In other news, I'm leaning towards the yellow staff saber for Rey. Looks pretty rad:
    [​IMG]
     
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  23. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    Wow, good breakdown. Guess my first vote is still that Rey keeps Luke's old blue saber, then.
     
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  24. vong333

    vong333 Force Ghost star 5

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    she should have the cyan lightsaber of luke skywalker. To better qualify this, what I don't want is the prequel blue. it looks way to digital for me. I want the aqua/cyan tinged one that we saw in TFA.
     
  25. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    The TFA saber didn't look aqua/cyan. It looked plain blue and more like a prequel saber than an original trilogy one. Which is fine with me; I think the more vibrant blades looked better than the more subdued ones.