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ST Openly-gay characters in Star Wars thread: READ WARNING IN OPENING POST

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Ghost, Feb 26, 2016.

  1. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Good. We can move along then.

    Finn and Poe can love each other, or Rey could fall in love with a woman, since there is no absolute need for these characters to fall in love with the opposite gender unless they need to have biological children to move the plot forward. That may be true for one or two of the characters but certainly not for all of them.

    I'd say if the saga wants more biological Skywalkers, Kylo Ren will probably be straight, but any of the other characters could be gay.

    Ezon Pin : There was also Moff Mors, the Imperial who spent part of the book mourning over her dead wife.
     
  2. Mister Bones

    Mister Bones Jedi Master star 3

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    Sinjir is a really well written character in Aftermath (IMO), so not entirely sure I understand where you're getting "meta & jagged" from.

    Edit: my mistake- just read the posts above. Must have been a different book then.
     
  3. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Force Ghost star 5

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    Look again and review the embedded past.
     
  4. Mister Bones

    Mister Bones Jedi Master star 3

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    Yep, I caught that as soon as I posted. Another book then.
     
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  5. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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    Imagine if some of these "fans" likes Casterfo (Bloodline) and find out he is bi [face_laugh]
     
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  6. HugoWanKenobi

    HugoWanKenobi Jedi Knight star 2

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    PC, gender agenda driven Star Wars main saga movie? nooo thanks! This is not a UN brief or an Hillary Clinton campaign act. Your PC, gender agenda driven, happily married Poe + Finn can do all the pride parades and adopt all the children you like, in-your-mind.
     
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  7. Dark Horse

    Dark Horse Jedi Master star 4

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    Tonight, really I feel ashamed to be star wars fan reading all these comments across the board tonight. Another awful, nasty post. [face_plain]
     
  8. HugoWanKenobi

    HugoWanKenobi Jedi Knight star 2

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    Care to elaborate?
     
  9. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    And, comments like this can stay in your mind, and off this forum. You want to discuss the issue with civility, you're more than welcome, but the above is just hateful baiting. That will be quite enough.
     
  10. HugoWanKenobi

    HugoWanKenobi Jedi Knight star 2

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    Then what's the point to dicuss in this topic, if the only valid argument is: "yes, there must be gay characters in the main saga". Respectfully, I don't get it.
     
  11. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    There are ways to discuss it without comments like "PC gender agenda", etc. If you can't use those methods, then I would suggest that this isn't the thread for you.
     
  12. 11-4D

    11-4D Force Ghost star 5

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    maybe because gay people.. exist? why not show them then? it's like people asking why there should be any black people in sw
     
  13. WookieeRage

    WookieeRage Force Ghost star 5

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    Everybody is ok when their respective group is portrayed on screen in the saga, let the gays have a character that has an impact on the saga portrayed on-screen too, I say. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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  14. HugoWanKenobi

    HugoWanKenobi Jedi Knight star 2

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    It isn't remotely the same, but this forum might not be the best place to discuss it, I'm here for Star Wars VIII spoilers, so I'm out.
     
  15. 11-4D

    11-4D Force Ghost star 5

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    it's exactly the same. see ya.
     
  16. WookieeRage

    WookieeRage Force Ghost star 5

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  17. Birkendoc

    Birkendoc Chosen One star 4

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    Hey look, plenty of fandoms out there. So long!

    I think this nails it right on the head when it comes to a gay character.

    First, fill in the blank to the following sentence. And say it out loud while you're at it:

    I don't think Star Wars should have a _______ character because...

    a. gay
    b. female hero as the main
    c. black
    d. disabled
    e. Jewish actor playing a
    f. Muslim actor playing a

    Substitute gay with any of the other choices presented and the bigotry becomes rather blatant.

    That is EXACTLY why we need to end this conversation. It isn't about being PC. It isn't catering to one political or religious affiliation. It's about the stark reality of real life playing out in film. The GFFA has always been about diversity.

    And no, we as fans don't have to be stuck in the past when it comes to characterizations. Society is diverse. The GFFA is diverse.
     
  18. B99

    B99 Force Ghost star 6

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    Me reading this thread.

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This is a similar thread from the TV forum. There is a poster on this page who gives a very good demonstration on how to express the viewpoint "I would rather not see a homosexual relationship in Star Wars" in a respectful, non-troublesome manner.

    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/homosexuality-and-rebels.50022250/page-35

    He puts forth the idea that "This is my personal belief system and I don't want to watch a movie with a plot point that conflicts with my religious beliefs."

    His viewpoint was not popular, but it was within the TOS guidelines.

    Everyone needs to understand that there are LGBTQ people on this site who do not deserve the horribly demeaning "Because of who you fell in love with, you are dangerous to my children and I do not want characters like you on my screen."

    It is no different than another group being told that they do not deserve representation for some reason.
     
  20. Master of None

    Master of None Jedi Master star 4

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    That is too adorable!!
     
  21. Classified8

    Classified8 Jedi Master star 4

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    It's not your decision.
     
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  22. Darth DoJ

    Darth DoJ Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Surely YOU are being nasty, equating the fact that the majority of people WHO HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS do not want to see, and do not enjoy seeing homosexual acts (kissing, etc) to being nasty, ignorant, bigoted etc - A bigot is someone who cannot accept other people's opinions, and that makes you one. Many people don't want to see blood, they aren't nasty for it, they just don't want to see it. Some people don't want to see too much exposed flesh, they are not being nasty. Some people do not want to see any homosexual romance/activity in a Star Wars movie, and the person in question doesn't want Star Wars to become a PC liberal propaganda vessel, it doesn't mean he/she has anything against homosexuals. For the record, I know of at least one homosexual who doesn't want to see Star Wars "tarred" [exact quote] by having such content. Star Wars is Star Wars, post 6pm soap operas are the place to air homosexual storylines, where people know exactly what they're watching, and parents can control whether or not heir children see it.
    Star Wars is not a medium for showing everyone how it's okay not to give a damn about all the people who don't want to see it, just to show how open and progressive you are and how normal you think homosexual should be to all the children who WILL watch it, and all the people who want to see a Star Wars movie.

    What happened to "what I do in the bedroom is my business, it doesn't affect you, it's none of your business"? Why do so many people insist that it now has to be everyone's business, and has to be seen by everyone, and anyone who doesn't want to see it must be an uneducated meathead who murders homosexuals with a pitchfork (even when there are homosexuals out there who don't see having a gay couple in a movie as a "victory" and would rather not have homosexuality made into such a huge controversial issue that will cause a lot of backlash against them, they don't want to be "tokens")?

    It's ridiculous, Star Wars is a family friendly movie franchise, set in another Galaxy where technology is vastly superior to ours, but life and society resembles our own from the 1940s. Trying to make it into a modern PC liberal wish wash is going to ruin Star Wars for so many people AND lose a lot of money for Disney. For what, to appease people who set their facebook profile picture to have a rainbow filter while enjoying the smell of their own farts? Come on!


    This is not a post against HOMOSEXUALITY/HOMOSEXUALS, it's about not having same sex couples, or any characters engaging in any kind of homosexual romance/activity in a Star Wars movie. There is a clear difference.



    Someone else also mentioned that it's like saying you shouldn't have black people, I disagree. There is no such thing as black behaviour, or white behaviour. Black action/White action. Black or white activity.
    Maybe Greedo was gay, maybe not, who knows? Who cares? We didn't see him kissing a male of his species. That's what a great many people don't want to see, and it's UNNECESSARY to include in the film, it adds absolutely nothing.
     
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  23. Classified8

    Classified8 Jedi Master star 4

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    Those people putting a rainbow filter on their Facebook profile picture (full disclosure, I have done so before) are family and friends too. They don't stand outside the circle of family and friends.
     
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  24. WookieeRage

    WookieeRage Force Ghost star 5

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    Why do people assume we're going to get in your face gay characters "pushing an agenda?" Instead of equal opportunity characters, if they're gay, they aren't going to jam that down your throat... it's really eye-opening and troubling that people just want that suppressed. NEWS FLASH! Gay people actually exist! They should be included, just as aliens are included, which don't exist.
     
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  25. sls062286

    sls062286 Jedi Master star 4

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    If you think gay couples should be treated any differently in media or real life than straight couples, then yes you do have something against homosexuals. Just for an example, if I was squicked out by elderly couples showing signs of affection, would I have any right to say old couples shouldn't be depicted in media, or should not have public displays of affection in the real world? of course not. If I have a problem with it, that's my own issue.
     
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