ST Openly-gay characters in Star Wars thread: READ WARNING IN OPENING POST

Rapists, paedophiles, shampoo, cannibals, U2 fans and foot-fetished people exist. Should we include all of them because they exist?


... Cue the "now he's equating homosexuality to paedophilia" clichéd smear-response...

 

I'm trying to understand your point but it eludes me. You seem to be saying that the behavior you don't want to see is sexual behavior, such as kissing, because it adds nothing to the film and is unnecessary. So did you feel that way about seeing Han and Leia kiss in ESB and ROTJ? If you indeed didn't mind seeing a heterosexual couple kiss, then how can I avoid drawing the conclusion that seeing a homosexual couple kiss would bother you because you actually are against homosexuality?

 

The problem is you turned it all sexual, which it doesn't have to be, just as Han and Leia's relationship wasn't portrayed as sexual, and I believe cannibalism has been portrayed..at least in the EU.

 

Umm all of those things are/have been depicted in the media. Rape and pedophila when depicted are typically considered crimes, as they are in real life.

 

Can we have a moratorium on declaring things PC? It's such a weighted word now.

Actually Disney had zero problems depicting a very obvious same sex couple in the aquarium scene in Finding Dory. That said, Disney apparently has no problems depicting same sex relationships in children's films.

 

So everyone who hates seeing old people kiss hates the elderly?

 

lol

 

I think if someone "hates" seeing something, it disgusts or offends or frightens or angers them. Which applies to you?

ETA: If the answer is none of the above, please explain why seeing this bothers you. Because I still don't know.

 

Pointing out that some might find your post offensive doesn't somehow negate the fact that it is. But I'm glad you're at least self aware enough to realize that you're being offensive.

 

I care about two guys or two women kissing just as much as I care about a guy and a woman kissing in a movie. It'll have the same effect

And irl, I wouldn't want to see two people of the same gender kissing as much as I do two people of opposites. I'm not particularly fond of PDAs and regardless of if I was with a guy or a girl I wouldn't be for it

To imply that homosexuality is a special type of behaviour is to imply that it's inherently different from heterosexuality. If anything, I feel it channels the "all homosexuals are lustful perverts" stereotype. Which is itself pretty bigoted to go along with

So why is there such a big deal over it? Answer - because, like it or not, there's a push to integrate same sex character relationships into movies, especially BIG movies like Star Wars, so that, hopefully, one day moviegoers won't bat an eyelash over who's in a relationship with who. Just two people. That's all

 

The producers/directors of VII were very well aware of how unpleasant it is for the majority of people to see elderly people kiss, and the scenes with Han and Leia were handled appropriately. Had they kissed and lots of fans posted about how gross that was and how that should never have been included, would you be telling them that they are just against old people? Hmmm.

For the record it's funny reading the amount of assumptions people make about me, considering you don't even know my sexuality (and probably not even my gender unless you've opened my profile and assumed that the one I've put is true, and there's a 50% chance that it is) but you have read that I don't want homosexual romance in Star Wars because of the fact that not many people want to see it, and there are many people who either actively don't want to see it or don't want their children to see it. Judgemental much?

 

Because in reality, elderly people never kiss each other, right?

I'd like your definition of "not many", as polls over recent years have steadily gone from "I do not approve" to "I approve" and it's only getting better. It's true that there are still people who don't support it, so you are correct in saying there are moviegoers who don't themselves want to see it or their children to see it. In my opinion - that's a sad stance to take. Hide it from the kids so they don't know it's a thing. Because, like elderly people, people of the same sex never have relationships, just like the movies don't show

 

Let me use a better example.

Loving v. Virginia is the reference if your'e curious.

Entirely Fictitious Star Wars Fan #1: "Star Wars is a family franchise. It is something that parents should be able to take their children to it without worrying about in appropriate content. Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against black people. I'm not a racist, but I don't think Finn and Rey should be depicted as a romantic couple. I have no problems with Finn. He's a great character, but what would the kids think if they saw a black man romantically involved with a younger white woman? That's not the message Disney should be putting forth. It would ruin Star Wars and Disney would lose tons of money."

If you find this statement offensive, then this one should be equally offensive

Entirely Fictitious Star Wars Fan #2: "Star Wars is a family franchise. It is something that parents should be able to take their children to without having to worry about appropriate content. Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against gay people. I'm not a homophobe, but I don't think Finn and Poe should be depicted as a romantic couple. I have no problems with Finn or Poe. They are great characters, but what would the kids think if they saw two men romantically involved? That's not the message Disney should be putting forth. It would ruin Star Wars and Disney would lose tons of money"

You see, the two statements are almost identically. Change the nouns a bit, and the bigotry remains.

 

There's a difference between BEING OFFENSIVE and people finding one offensive, if you find something I say offensive I feel sorry for you, but I'm not sorry for what I said, because I have not said anything that is offensive. I have not insulted any individual or group. I have also not catered to the PC crowd and never will.

 

I know you think you're on to something with this cutesy "Ah but perhaps it is you who supposes too much!" angle but you're really not. I consider it a bait, though, if you're curious.

 

Well, this is getting heated fast

"Such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."

 

How do you know it's unpleasant for the majority of people to see the elderly kiss? Have you taken a poll?

I've tried not to make assumptions about you. I've asked you several times why this bothers you so much and have yet to get a clear answer. Are you now saying that it would bother you less to see a young homosexual couple kiss than an elderly homosexual couple kiss?

 

Ramza Edit: Who's debating?

I would rather see neither IN A STAR WARS FILM I would also rather not see Rey eat with her mouth open again.

 

When you pulled comment about "Rapists, paedophiles, shampoo, cannibals, U2 fans and foot-fetished people exist. Should we include all of them because they exist?"

That was offensive.

Also, in an entire Off Topic thought, I like U2. The Zoo TV tour in 1992 was one of the best concerts I've ever seen.

 

Ok, so only young hetero couples. Not gay couples, not old couples, and certainly not old gay couples

I'm going to stick with my stance that it's important to integrate such a thing into modern movies. One may call it an obnoxious movement if they so wish. But the fact is, if you see a straight couple, you just think "Oh, look, two people in a relationship" where if you see a gay couple, you explicitly think "Hey, that isn't common to see"

And the idea is that the thought of the former should apply to both. And that's not something we're going to achieve unless they start doing something about it

I'll agree with you on that, though

EDIT:

Right, as I don't mod here - listen to Pro Scoundrel you must. I think it'd be best if we talked more about the implications, perhaps, on media/cinema as a whole if SW were to integrate it well