Full Series Rebels 3.11 - Visions and Voices - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

It's more that they have done Maul V Obi-wan a 1000 times already and he's meant to be hiding out, and watching over Luke.

 

Am I the only one not thrilled with the new Phantom??

 

If there is one final Maul v. Obi-wan rematch, I'd only be satisfied if Satine is mentioned. Even Maul's voice actor emphasized the importance of her relationship with Kenobi in TCW and how even he was sad to see her tragic end.

 

Mythology and magic is also part of the Star Wars but I agree that we have seen enough nightsisters in this show after this episode. I liked the force vision stuff in first season and the second with Yoda and jedi ruins on Lothal. Bendu is also kinda interesting, but I really hope we stay out of Dathomir for now- if they ever do another animated series like one post-Rotj- maybe then could be time to return to Dathomir- but no more in this show.

 

I see Maul taunting Kenobi trying to put him off balance...but Kenobi just being cold and focusing on the fight til he takes Maul's head off....literally.

 

That'd suck, then we'd have to wait until the post-RotJ show where Maul's head returns with a robotic body to see him again.

 

Still won't be able to match the highs and lows of the feels of TCW's Lawless episode. I don't remember hating a villainous character more than Maul in that episode after what he did to Satine; and then Sids came into the fray and toyed with Maul and his bro. Awesome.

 

Didn't Maul say that the Nightsisters were whipped out by the Empire? That part confused me. Did he mean the other clans? (I presume there were more.) But he would not have a connection to them, really. Maybe he meant the remaining Nightbrothers of his village? But I think he said Nightsisters specifically. Did they start to rebuild and were torn back down? Did he say Empire and just mean the Separatists? I was so confused at that part.

 

Ezra:If this is your home, where are your people? Where is everybody?

Maul:I am the last survivor.
My family, the Nightsisters, were killed.
Masterful witches they were.
A threat to the Empire.
I know that you can relate.

 

This was a great episode, probably one of the top 3.

 

Maul doesn't want/need redemption, he wants justice and a final point to this Empire/Sith drama, sadly we know that he doesn't succeed because of ANH, but it would be great to find out what was his legacy again, maybe the Knights of Ren?

He doesn't want power and certainly doesn't care about the jedis, he wants to end the Sith/Empire scam mostly Vader/Sidious that's why I think that he's not going to fight Obi-Wan, he's going to talk to him to join him as an ally and strive once and for all a big hit to the Emperor. I don't think that he will learn/meet about Luke neither the rebel crew, I don't think that Obi will help him too, he might be tempted but what can they both do?

Finally I think that his finally showdown will be with either Ezra, getting rid of him (and ironically turning him to the dark side) or by the Emperor has it was his wish, hopefully he will damage him or something but nothing serious.

 

Thought this was good. Thematically redundant with Holocrons of Fate but good. I wonder, read in last weeks episode guide that the broadcast order was reversed. Was the mission they were talking about in the beginning of this week's episode last week's Lothal mission?

 

I agree, especially with how much this episode sets up for the second half.

 

Finally an episode that makes me want to watch the next episode.

 

1: Kenobi being alive and known of to the Rebellion is inevitable -- no one ever said Bail never told anyone and Vader has already been back on the Tatooine [which is something I would have preferred never happened - too many loose ends to cover for -- but clearly the dearth of Canon material with Vader on Tatooine means the creators don't agree with me.

However - Obi-Wan meeting Kanan and/or Ezra will be a tough pill to swallow as it means everything he says in ANH and ESB etc with Yoda really doesn't sound ridiculously flawed and nigh on impossible to ret-con

2: Maul confronting Obi-Wan was always inevitable IMHO -- glad to finally see what it might turn out to be. Whether rehash, partial rehash, or something else entirely -- seeing it onscreen will be simply beautiful and long-awaited.

3: I guess this means the Night-Sister magic is gone from the GFFA. If Maul doesn't have another means of casting it and the Alter has been destroyed -- and Talzin is truly gone for good -- I'm okay with it. It can be rediscovered later in some novel or comic. And maybe even Snoke will use it? Or... a Night Sister was off planet and blah blah blah

4: I LOVE in Rebels Recon and in the Episode they confirm Night Sister magic is another aspect of the Force -- not like the Bull poodoo that Filoni was shackled with by GL to say back in TCW that it was not the Force. So dumb -- and now that idiocy is gone for the better of all of us.

5: Maul not seeing Bendu but acknowledging the uniqueness of the planetary energy was awesome. Not to mention the Maul visions -- which if you ask me, were not visions necessarily but Maul's own ability to appear in Ezra's mind and possibly even have been there masking his presence from anyone but Ezra. Who perhaps because of the bond they share did not allow Maul to hide his presence. [Just a theory]

6: The relics in Maul's little hut were awesome. Guess I need to take a closer look at what they were. Screenshots anyone? If there were Holocrons in there, even if they were broken, doesn't necessarily mean Maul didn't get to use them to some extent. Unless someone was referring to the ones in Ezra's room.

I wonder what kind of philosophy Maul even would want to teach Ezra in regards to the Force -- or even if he would adhere to the Rule of 2 - or if something much bigger is in store for us.
We still don't really know what "other use" Sidious had for Maul, do we? My guess - go kill Ahsoka. He failed, and thus we have what we have.

 

If you're referring to the other use he mentions at the end of The Lawless and the start of Son of Dathomir, that was using Maul to lure out Mother Talzin so Sidious could finally kill her.

 

Ah -- yes, yes. You're right.

I guess considering Maul lived -- maybe he had even more uses -- such as killing Ahsoka too.

 

The way I saw it was that he was referring to the Separatists, but since Ezra was born after the war ended, Maul just decided to simplify it for the sake of not having to explain too much detail about the Clone Wars when he had better things to do with his time.

 

I reckon Maul was fully aware of Sidious' plan to use the Clone Wars for his own ends, so he knew that the Night Sisters were wiped out to stop them from becoming a problem for the Empire.

 

Yes. That's exactly what Kanan and Ezra were doing in An Inside Man.

 

Its not like Maul will every use it anyway.

 

Yeah why wasn't he using that thing anyways? He was pretty adept with it in Son of Dathomir. Used it to beat Grievous six ways to Sunday.

 

The Nightsisters were enemies of the Sith, that meant also their forces of the CIS and Republic which were both under the control of them. Sidious and Tyranus mainly used the Separatist forces to crush the Nightsisters to secure the future grand plan of the Empire. Maul considered the Republic the Empire, which it was. For Maul's Death Watch Sidious and Tyranus used a combination of the Republic and CIS, where Sith(and Grievous) and Jedi were involved in the side war with them as Maul's Shadow Collective/Death Watch was a rival superpower lead by a rival Sith Lord. Moreover Palpatine's Republic forces discarded the ruse on Mandalore when Order 66 was activated. Maul was captured by ray shields and Ahsoka was soon betrayed afterwards. Probably another element was to obviously play on the sympathies of Ezra, not a mistake why he worded it like that added the , "you can relate".

 

I'm having a hard time believing that the nights sisters would be any kind of credible threat to the Empire if Sidious was able to wipe them out so easily.

 

Their magiks were indeed & Talzin. Sidous himself once sought Talzin for wisdom and knowledge, buth were once allied until Sidious betrayed her for Maul. Talzin out've the Nightsisters primarily was a threat to Sidious' grand plan and his reign. She was a challenge on TCW/SOD, and nearly killed Dooku and plotted against the Sith and had the powers to destroy Sidious potentially . But unlike the Sith, her powers were limited as she runs out've energy and was not fully charged in SOD #4 but she accomplished enough just fighting against the greater evil. Not so much the Nightsisters as a clan though. Ventress when leading the Nightsisters could have been as well, but she was but one, the other Nightsisters werent like her at all as they lacked the Jedi arts training and actual Force ability plus all their weapons were pretty primitive. Still the army of the dead managed to overwhelm Grievous's army, but they stood no chance against him once Ventress was wounded. Maul never told Ezra about his mother. I never really found the TCW stories entirely satisfactory as it made no sense for Talzin not unite Ventress and Maul. Seemed like something Lucas or his daughter was against so it didnt happen. Plus, if Talzin, Maul , Ventress and Savage were united together under one banner plus with the Death Watch, then I think the TCW wouldve ended,lol.