Lit Could or Should Revan return to Disney Canon?

I feel like I'm the only one who loved the Revan novel

 

I’d rather wish-fulfillment, self-insert videogame characters like Revan be left out of canon.

 

Considering the awful stuff Revan has to go through (I'm in the middle of reading the Revan novel), I actually don't find him much of a wish fulfillment at all (can't speak for anyone else). Meetra Surik also gets her nice life crashing down in this novel.

I'm not sure if any of the player characters from the Star Wars EU games really count as wish fullfilment. Most of them went through some extremely bad stuff.

Massive spoilers for the Old Republic game

Spoiler

The reward for the player character in the Old Republic is to be frozen in carbonite for 5 years, for example, then mentally invaded by a millennia old Sith Lord, with all his friends and family long since gone. I'm playing through Knights of the Fallen Empire, and even my companions and padawan are not around.

If you read the spoiler, does that really seem like anyone's idea of wish fulfillment? There seems to be this idea that just because a character is a videogame character, s/he is wish fulfillment...

 

Again, it is your opinion Revan is a "self insert, wish fulfillment" character. And here's something else, pretty much every main SW character is designed on some level to be a "self insert" character, (psst, this is why people relate to them so well).

 

Since everything save the movies will eventually be retconned, my position is:

-As far as I am concerned, everything not directly contradicted by the movies is canon, regardless of what anybody says.
-If two pieces of information not coming from the movies contradict each other, just pick the one you like better.

Do you like Revan? Then Revan is canon.

 

That's the philosophy behind my thread I started some time ago. I still need to update the list with post ANH Legends works that can still fit in canon: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...can-still-reasonably-fit-into-canon.50043107/

 

...whoa. I love this idea.

 

It would be nice if she were, even just a name drop is good enough.

 

yes i think they will bring revan back a lot of $ in that character and they wont leave that money on the scrap heap

 

He's already Canon for me,I just fit in what I like and leave novels that haven't been contradicted yet. Mainly pre phantom menace era.
That being said if he was to be made official,male/female? Be fine by me,always want fresh new Star Wars material.
And new books etc mean a growing timeline,which is what I want.

 

That's not how *Canon works....

 

Canon = Future storytellers need to take this information into consideration when planning/telling new stories.

That's it. They can't be forced to take into consideration every fan's personal hopes, dreams, demands, and affirmations as binding. Ideas of 'Personal canon' makes sense only if you are personally writing fanfic/running an RPG. But that's it.

 

Yeah, not sure why some of our friends over here are insisting on creating new ''canon'' definitions... Canon depends on storytellers, writers, and most likely depends on producers, if they say x is canon y is not, then that's that. You can't create something like ''head canon'' because it doesn't make any sense. Fans can't create any canon continuity in different people's stories, we all like SW, but we are just fans, we are not storytellers or writers...

 

EDIT: I guess we can't embed Tweets here. Read the full chain from the link below.

Interesting Tweet from Pablo Hidalgo yesterday referencing Galaxy of Heroes. I read this as if SWTOR / KOTOR exists in some kind of canon limbo that's not quite as de-canonized as the rest of the EU.

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/824468710056341505

I've never played SWTOR... is its canon consistent with KOTOR and KOTOR II?

 

Pablo has also pointed out that SWTOR continues the Legends storytelling. It's not semi-canon, it's not schrodinger's canon, it's part of the Legends Continuity. So it's part of the separate and distinct 'Legends canon'. And since it's the only one producing content in that canon, and probably WILL be the last ones to produce content in that canon, it's basically a 'go ahead, knock yourself out', nobody will have to deal with the new rules you make kind of deal.

EA has a games deal that is ongoing to create new content. And since Galaxy of Heroes is a fantasy fighter match-em-up that has no story/canonical value at all, it makes sense to use current characters and situations that are currently actively being produced and putting out content. This isn't a canon thing. It's a 'what is currently being produced' thing. This really shouldn't be hard to understand.

 

Did you even read the tweets? I fully understand that SWTOR is Legends. HOWEVER, it's also true that EA has been forbidden from using other EU characters in Galaxy of Heroes. I'm not saying HK-47 appearing in Galaxy of Heroes makes Revan canon, but it means something that the story group allowed HK-47 to be used in the game but not the likes of Mara Jade and Jacen Solo.

 

You *can* have a personal canon though.

For instance, I don't care what Disney says, the Force Unleashed games will always be canon to me.

 

As I said, "This isn't a canon thing. It's a 'what is currently being produced' thing. This really shouldn't be hard to understand." EA gets to use characters from current EA games.

 

I hope not. Not a huge Revan fan.

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And for me, TFU is the only EU thing I don't consider canon.


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You know, since -- presumably -- an NU Revan wouldn't be a videogame protagonist (unless they were reintroduced in a "KOTOR REMASTERED" or something that reimagined the story in an NU context) here's what I'd do:



I'd take "Darth Revan" and "Bastila Shan" and merge them into one amazing battle meditation / strategist character called "Vima Sunrider Shanrider Sunrevan".

Everyone bangs on about Anakin Solo being wasted, but poor Vima was the real tragedy. She was meant to grow up to be the next great hero! Everyone went on about her swirling Force, and stuff.

And then it turned out that sometimes swirling force is just swirling force.

(They could have at least made her the Exile, jeez)

 

Maybe. But the official canon is so changing and fleeting that it's barely worth worrying for... Aftermath, Bloodlines, the new Marvel comics, Rebels... etc., they will become outdated in a few years, the same way the Clone War novels, the Jedi Apprentice novels, The Clone Wars cartoon and the previous batch of comics were...

When they make new TV series, novels and comics, they will want to say they are within canon, because that helps sales. On the other hand, no director will accept to be bound by any pre-existing canon, they will demand creative freedom, so they will change the canon with every movie.

Star Wars canon is periodicaly replaced. There was 1998 canon, and there was 2005 canon, and now there is 2017 canon. Current canon isn't definitive, it will be replaced too.

So, the only real, solid, hard de facto canon are the movies themselves, regardless of what they say.

Revan belongs to the 2003-2014 canon which is different from 2017 canon. There will probably be another canon ten years in the future. Think of them as different versions of the same story. I, as a fan, can't decide which is the current official canon, but I'm free to like best whatever version of canon I please...

 

Yup I agree. A pity the Exile can't come back because of her link to Revan. I liked her far more than him.

 

Oh. Dang. Me likey.

 

No I wouldn't want him/her "Disneyfied". Revan is an iconic EU character and would be painful to see him ruined by Rebels.