A/V STAR WARS REBELS (show's over, spoilers allowed)

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There were three things in the episode I liked: the Old Wounds reference, Maul is FINALLY dead (although so anticlimactic), and Binary Sunset at the end. Otherwise it was super frustrating and I really, really wish Ezra would stop being such a freaking idiot. Stop shoehorning him into every episode, and can he actually get in trouble for disobeying Hera sometime, please?

 

Decent enough episode. But I'm more exited about the season finale right now.

 

The final 4 minutes... gorgeous and awesome. Some folks will be disappointed I'm sure about the brevity of one thing, but that final shot... the music... THAT is Star Wars.

Also- kudos to Stephen Stanton, he's got old Obi-wan's voice down pat!

--Adm. Nick

 

The episode wasn't worthy of massive amounts of hype, but as a whole I still liked it. Honestly, it was a major episode crammed into a small episode's format and structure, which I think a lot of people will take issue with, but there was nothing wrong with that. Thematically, it was appropriate in almost every way and they literally littered every second of the character action with visual storytelling and unexpected callbacks. The trailer of course already gives this away, but I love the connection you get by seeing PT Obi (Holocron) and Old Ben in the same episode. Really drives home once and for all that the six films are one saga (despite what the PT haters try to say.)

Next week will be the big deal, however I also can't help but wonder...

Where does the show go from there?

 

Loving that preview for the two-part season finale. My only complaint is that it's pretty easy to figure out how the episode will end based on all the scenes they keep showing... but there were some fun bits too. Just seeing Mon Mothma on hologram makes me happy.

It will be interesting to see the battle of Atollon. It will be a first for SW, in that we are seeing a Rebel force actually fight it's way through a blockade, as opposed to having an ion cannon clear the way.

Can't wait!

--Adm. Nick

 

Really, without watching it, my favorite thing of this week's episode is that it leaves the season finale to be Rebellion-centric without Maul, Obi-Wan or whatever taking attention away from what's important. I'm tired of Force-centric season openings and finales, even if I did like them a lot.

 

How do you think will the episode play out ?

 

Do we know if next week will be an hour-long episode or a two-episode finale?
I hope that it's not a disappointment, based on how good the trailer looks.

My thoughts on this week's:

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I have been rolling my eyes ever since I learned that Maul was still "alive." I love Maul; but he was cut in half. Yeesh. So I'm so glad I spoiled myself and learned he FINALLY BLOODY DIED. It's taken to damn long. It made me more excited to watch this episode.

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Of course Ezra is the one who realizes Maul is back. I'm glad Kanan takes his claim seriously.

"Senator Oragana confirmed (Obi-Wan's) death." - Rex
Even knowing that, I had to chuckle. I love Bail.

I'm glad Ezra's "stealth" failed. He's so dumb. I get it; he's a teen who is easily swayed and already has had a foot in the dark side. So it's actually understandable. It doesn't mean I have to like it.
Also, you'd think Kanan would have ben working with him to help stave off dark temptations.

"Okay, Master Kenobi. If you're down there, show me something." - Ezra
That's not how the Force works!
(Unless you channel it and force it to hahahaha)

Have the holocrons always been that small?

Oh my, it's a trap? REALLY?! Never WOULD HAVE GUESSED. Maybe you need to listen to Kanan.
Yeah, Ezra is definitely annoying here. It's like his character has regressed, hasn't learned much of anything.
(As an aside, Chopper sighing was bloody weird).
But yeah, all the stuff with Ezra doesn't seem to have much bearing on the episode, other than to have Ezra meet Obi-Wan. Now, I can't really see how this would fit in with ANH other than having Ezra relay to Bail that the Jedi is indeed still alive, even though I'm sure he and Bail had been able to converse over the course of 19/20 years.

Heh, they're both "old" men, more willing to talk than to have a long, drawn-out battle. I neither like nor dislike the fact that Maul's death was quick, that there was almost no battle. It is a bid odd for the characters but definitely works for their ages. I'm just confused as to how he died since it didn't even seem like Obi-Wan got a hit beyond destroying the lightsaber. Anti-climatic, yes, but it got the job done. I was tired of him, so I'd have been tired of a long fight. *shrugs*

Can someone just punch Ezra in the face? I completely agree with you, JediMara77


It is definitely weird that Luke looked like a toddler, despite him being in the distance. *sigh*

 

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This episode, in juxtaposition with Maul's mission to Tatooine in TPM, is... interesting. It's Obi-Wan fulfilling what Qui-Gon started, protecting a Skywalker from Maul on Tatooine.

 

Cross posting my spoiler tagged response of Twin Suns from the Twins Suns Tv forum episode discussion thread to see if I'll generate any discussion from you guys about some of the points I raise. I'm someone who thinks Ezra's placement in the episode was essential and you'll see why as you read my thoughts. I've put a lot of thought into it.

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Maul said in Holocrons of Fate his goal was far more simple. He had his chance to rebuild a foundation for a Empire on Malachor, and Kanan delayed him long enough for Ashoka to save Ezra. Maul had the perfect set up, if he had just used Ashoka to distract Vader long enough to kill him, as well as pretend to slip up on protecting those two from Vader's wrath, he could have taken Kanan, Ahoska, and Vader out and Would have plausible deniability about not helping the Jedi, because they're FIGHTING FREAKING VADER, JEDI DYING TO HIM IS KINDA HIS THING. I believe if Ahoska and Maul had worked together to defeat Vader, they could have had a decent chance of getting Vader while's he conflicted. Assuming Ashoka breaks through the mask again still in that hypothetical scenario. But even then, a former Sithlord who's been keeping up his skills since the Clones and the formerly trained by The Chosen One Ahoska could definitely best Vader. Before you try to say Vader would overpower them, I would like to point out that Obi-Wan was skilled enough to take out Anakin in ROTS, so being powerful doesn't mean tactics can't get the best of you. If you recall, Vader actively tried to convince Ahoska to reveal the location of any surviving Jedi, and directly stated "We need not be adversaries." He could have killed her in the first round, but went back to focus on the Holocron instead of doing what the obsessive Anakin/Vader would absolutely do and kill the last trace of Anakin. Finally how you interpret the "Then you will die." line as he seems to hesitate. Vader was playing with kids gloves on with Ashoka, a fact Maul would have ABSOLUTLEY have exploited if he hadn't gotten to damn eager to activate that super weapon. Also before you say Maul would be just as weak as he was in Twins Suns, remember that Maul was pretending to be weak in Twilight of the Apprentice until he could use being powerful to his adavantate. By Twin Suns, Maul has been so driven since Holociroms of Fate to find Kenobi, that's he done nothing but plot, scheme, and scavenge looking for a way to finish what Ezra chose to stop. He's not pretending to be weak and crazy anymore. It's become a reality.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is, in short, Maul already had his grand, climatic, one last chance at glory moment. Malachor was active, if he had played it differently, he might have been able to convince the Jedi that having the super weapon would allow the Rebels to beat the Empire. He basically had (if it hadn't blown up) a Death Star before Palpatine's would have finished his (its still under construction at this point.) He had all the cards, a legitimate viable opening at Vader through Ahoska, a potentially very powerful new apprentice in Ezra, and if he had just used a fight with Vader to end Kanan and Ahoska while Maul took his opportunity to strike Vader down when he was still stable and sane enough to be that calculating, he would have had one best foundations to get back at Sidious. The Empire was treasonous cowards trained in a Empire indoctrinated by Sith values. They would join Maul the moment planets started going boom with such a weapon on his side. But he jumped the gun, and his best chance to reclaim everything was lost, an entire season ago.

Which honestly, makes this episode even more poignant with all that in hindsight. This is Maul at the end, trying to find some form of closure of his tragedy of a life. He has lost everything, and in some ways, was forsaken by what was left. (The Nightsisters were not very loyal to Maul in Vision's and Voices. If your going to rebuild Dathomirs Nightbrothers and Sisters, surely having a skilled former sithlord/semi-Nightbrother possessed would be considered, a waste of a good mind that knows more about what's going on in the galaxy than they currently do. So it's clear he's on the outs with them from that episode. Either way, Ezra destroyed the Shrine, so it's a moot point....though does that mean Ezra may technically be the person responsible for truly wiping out the Nightsisters for good? He was so genocidal, he wiped them out from ever coming back from the dead again...went on a tangent again didn't I? Darn it.)

Anyways, Maul. Of course it was gonna end with Maul getting chumped. and the way they did it in the episode was so themeatically tied with the OT that it adds even more layers. Some points.

1. Ben Kenobi is either so in tune with the Force he already knows about Ezra's exploits through them, or Bail Organa told Ben about Kanan and Ezra(considering A New Hope is all about getting a message and the plans to him in the beginning I don't think that's likely.) and Ben has kept tabs on everything going on in order to protect Luke from any outside interference. Either way, it shows Ben as remarkably competent, wise, and aboslutely accepting of his role as a Jedi even BEFORE he pulls out the light saber.

2. The conversation between Ben Kenobi and Ezra actually is the only thing that I wish this episode had more of in terms of time. Not because it's bad in any way, but because it so freaking good. I don't think anyone has pointed this out yet, mostly because they're so focused on the Maul/Kenobi relationship, but the short bit of a Ezra/Kenobi dynamic actually was fascinating to me because Luke has very different reactions to being mentored by Kenobi. Yes Ezra only talked to him for few moments, but it was obvious that Kenobi, due to understanding Ezra's desire to help and trying to do the right thing , decided to use Maul literally coming to kill Ben as a teaching moment so Ezra can put on the right path. I'll elaborate on "Your in the wrong place." Line in relation to Ezra, prophecy, and what the point out Bendu's warning was, but I just want to reiterate. Luke always was a bit dismissive of Ben until Ben actually started telling him about the Jedi, Clone Wars, and all that, as well as slightly afterward. A lot of people seem to forget that Luke only became super adamant about respecting Obi-Wan after ObiWan had sacrificed himself to save the rest of them. Luke only saw his true nature as a Jedi at the moment of Obi WANs end. Ezra on the other hand, doesn't have any misconceptions about Obi Wan as a person. He knows he's a great Jedi master, he knows he's skilled in the Force. Ezra doesn't disrespect Kenobi as apperently some people are implying due to him rebuffing Obi-Wan again and again that Yes, Obi-Wan is the key to destroying the Sith, but it's that misconception with the Holocrons that's he's in denial about. He doesn't want to accept the fact that everything he's worked for, all things he's potentially risked, and maybe even sacrificed to get to the core of the entire PT and OT (the one to Destory the Sith and bring balance to the force etc.) was all for nothing. Just like how Anakin was in denial about the idea of Padme dying, because everything he felt he had fought to gain (a family, a happy life, a home.) '] might have been for nothing. And Obi-Wan say what he kept saying to Anakin? Try to guilt trip Ezra to half-heartedly agree to leave? No. Instead of trying to force Ezra to listen to his logic, he slowly and carefully helped Ezra understand that this wasn't his destiny by giving him the information, and presenting him with the rights questions Ezra needs to ask himself in order for him to break free of his denial.

That is the whole point of Ezra's arc in S2-S3. Him feeling he's unable to make a difference with his own power, so much to point at the end of S2 from the beginning of S3 he was blaming himself for what happened to Ashoka and Kanan. He sacrificed so much to get to Kenobi, when even Vader could not find him. If Clone War Anakin was in a situation similar to the one that Ezra was in in that moment, it would have been worse then just saying "but the Holocrons showed me." IT would have gotten violent, because Anakin is second only to Maul in the issues department, (number 1 though in the badass villain department.) The fact that Ezra was able to finally mature, let go, and try to fix his mistake (offering to help fight Maul with Kenobi) and when he was told to go where was he needed instead actually listen and be humble and just a good person like in the first half of S2 all the way up to Legacy? Ezra didn't need a dramatic duel with Kanan or something to be free of the darkside.

I mean come on. For once emotional issues and how to process them healthfully was done REALISTICALLY and MATURELY in Star Wars. It took not one moment, but small low-key conversations, events, and introspection on Ezra's part for him to process his life choices, realize what to do with his life, and finally grow into an adult by being willing to let go of his obsession of destroying the Sith, knowing his destiny lies with the Rebels. He's may be a Jedi, but above all he's a member of the Rebellion and the Ghost Crew. The child born on Empire Day must fight the Empire in its destructive might, not the fanatical members of the Sith.

3. Which leads me to my last point. (Finally.) Shut up inner text wall, I'm talking. Anyways, the quote that tied the entire Maul/Bendu/Kenobi/Kanan/Ezra arc for me was this quote. "Your in the wrong place." If I recall, in the trailer we think it's being said to Maul, but in the show it's said to Ezra. This is important. The Bendu warned that if a Jedi Holocrons and Sith Holocron were to merge, HIDDEN truths would be revealed, which Ezra (or Maul) would not be able to forget. This is the point that Kenobi was making. It isn't a certain point of view like people have been saying. If you read the dialogue completely straight, Kenboi actually is ELABORATING on why this type of Holocron merging is bad news. Luke WAS NEVER SUPPOSED EVER GET THIS CLOSE TO BEING DISOCVERED BY ANY DARKSIDER. The idea is that Luke was destined to grow into a young man in a peaceful environment, because that's what Anakin wasn't given as a child. True freedom. The Jedi as well as the Force are working to keep Luke in the right path, but the Force can only do so much. It can influence your actions, but Sith teachings are all about breaking your chains and bending the Force to YOUR WILL. Ben really wasn't lying or certain point of viewing Ezra. I think for once, Kenobi's was being completely straight and honest while also keeping Luke safe.

The writers played with the fear that all fans have of Rebels messing up the OT AND BREAKING CANON, and made it into a literal plot point and thematic resolution to Maul, Ezra, Kenobi's, and even Kanan's character arc to a certain extent. The threat Maul represented was the ultimate threat to the future of the galaxy. We know Maul will lose, but the plot was written to prey in our fears of canon being ruined, NOT the battle between Maul and Kenobi.

Ezra was in the wrong place. Maul manipulated him into going so far off HIS true destiny, he potentially almost doomed the future of the galaxy by pure naivety and immaturity. Doesn't make him a idiot, just an idealist and someone who wants to help and was fooled by someone who preys on that. But Ezra saw Kenobi's wisdom, did what Anakin couldn't, and that was assimilate every fact telling him to let this go, and trust in the Force and his instincts, (Funny how the Zero Hour teaser has Ezra saying May the Force be With me now huH?) and actually learn his lesson for good. Which once again says a lot about how Obi-WN has matured as a teacher in these years as well. But the final thing I'll say is this.

This wasn't a Maul arc finale episode with Ezra shoehorned in. This is Ezra's arc finale with Maul and Kenobi representing the paths Ezra can take. Maul and Anakin's self-destructive and obsessive path of the Sith, or the emotionally mature and moral sound path of the Jedi. Maul was and always has been in Rebels, a symbolic anatagonist towards Ezra then a physical one. He wanted Ezra to inherit his legacy. But in the end, Ezra, not Kanan, not Obi-Wan, not Yoda, but EZRA chose to reject that legacy. He's not a Sith. He's a Jedi.

And tying it all back together with the Holocrons of Fate, when faced with a choice with the temptation of Forbidden Knowledge or to trust the Bendu's (who at this point is just an Avatar for the Force itself at this point methinks.) warning and turn away before it was too late. Ezra turned away from the Holocron, he turned away from Maul in Visions, he turned away from Maul's path in Twin Suns. This is Ezra at his core. When faced with the darkness and temptation, he might hesitate for one moment, but he will always chose the light when push comes to shove.

EZRA IS A JEDI. May the Force be with you kid.

(Update: Since no one responded to the thread since I posted this and I have some more thoughts from the Tv Forum on Ezra, I thought I would be edit and update this post with the new post so made in the Tv forum.... enjoy!

I saw Kenobi as seeing a Verizon of Anakin in Ezra he could save before his obsession and his naive denial pushed further down a dark path to destruction. Kenobi finally learned that giving the questions to an young adult to figure out on their own with some guidance is far more effective than trying to make force them to accept the answers. Ezra is the midway point between Anakin and Luke. Not to driven by his obsession that he can't be reached, but not as willing to trust Kenobi's guidance as a young hopeful and naive Luke is. He's been in the Twilght for so long now. I finally think that Twilight of the Apprentice truly referred to Ezra in S2, not Ahsoka or Maul. He's been conflicted for so long due to his divergence from his true destiny, that he literally ended up essentially cutting himself off from others and focused on defeating the Sith. He became a twisted mirror to Kenobi's purpose if you think about it. But Ezra has found himself now.

But can we at least all agree that it was clever writing to essentially say straight up that Maul and Ezra nearly breaking canon was completely not in the Force's plan and was literally fighting tooth and nail to keep the prophecy from being threatened. And the fact is, it was absolutely Ezra's fault. He was the only one who would be insane enough to work with a unknown person to obtain a Sith Holocron and actually show him trust that was required to open up a Temple designed to test if the hypothetical 'Sith' duo in question are able to trust each other to obtain the Sith Holocron. It makes perfect sense now why Vader was confused as heck to how Ezra unlocked the secret of the temple. The Jedi have that trusting relationship, and Sith don't. You need to use the dark side to open the Temple Doors, while also relying on your partners power instead of your own to help you. And Jedi would never work with Sith to obtain knowledge like that. Ezra, by sheerly being crazy enough to trust and emapthize with a Sith legiamtely (at least on Malachor.) but also thanks to Visions and Voices we know Maul was actually effected by Ezra's empathy to where he didn't just want an apprnetice in Ezra, but even a brother.. Their relationship, however twisted, had a foundation of something geniune. Ezra somehow created a legitimate connection with a former Sith Lord by just being himself. That's what has always made Ezra dangerous. His ability to not only empathize with others, but to inspire empathy within them.

 

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I saw a youtube comment earlier on a twin suns clip, and he said that Obi-Wan first posed in form III, but switched to form IV which was Qui Gon's, and also that Maul tried to defeat Obi-Wan like he defeated Qui-Gon (beating his lightsaber up like that). If this is true, it's very symbolic. Is this true?

 

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Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Right before the fight started my thought was "this needs to be one hit" and that's exactly what it was. Maul coming back will always be an iffy decision, but this is a much better way to end it than Vader killing him.

Anyone recognize the music in that finale teaser? I hope it's actual Kiner from the episode.

 

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So what's the deal with the Chosen One line from Kenobi? Misdirection or is it an indication that Luke may be?

 

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Remember Obi-Wan's whole "You were the Chosen One!" moment in ROTS? Given the fact he believes Anakin failed and is gone for good, I'm guessing he thinks Luke is the most likely candidate. At least until Vader gets redeemed.

 

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I think so too, but you could also just extrapolate Maul's question to mean "are you here because of the prophecy?" i.e. "what else could be this important?"

 

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I can get onboard with that. Have we had the moment in NuCanon yet where Obi-Wan realizes Vader is still alive?

 

Now moving on to topic of the Zero Hour teaser...*watches teaser, and laughs* I'm still gonna end up defending and analyzing Ezra again aren't I? Gonna ask, is there anyone other than me who thinks he's well written and likeable when he isn't processing emotional tramua by being blunt and stubborn. Though to be clear that stuff is well written too, because they don't want you to see his worst moments emtioanlly as healthy.


Just wanted to ask before I deleve once more into what it seems Ezra Bridger's purpose in the grand scheme of things is. So spoilers tags for the Zero hour teaser.

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Ezra's message in S1 prompted the first cooperation between other rebel cells, triggering the domino effect that would lead to the Rebellion growing hot as Vader brought attention to the whole mess, but most importantly he chose to try and save Kanan, forcing the Rebel cells to act to keep that voice of hope alive. In season 2 Ezra was able to get the Clonez to help them find a list of Rebel bases, and helped Rex gain a new purpose as the old mentor for their Rebel cell. the Inquistors were defeated due to Ezra for better or worse, uniting Maul, Ahsoka and Kansan under a temporary alliance that successfully tore down the Inquisotrs, destroyed and essentially robbed a fully functional super weapon that would have the Death Star a pointless waste of money considering you had a prebuilt one made for the Sith personally from Sidious grasp, as well as keep a Sith Holocron of unknown knowledge from entering the hands of Vader and Sidious. It was, objectively, a victory for the Jedi against Vader apart from Kanan's eyes and Ashoka being taken off the board. And this temporary alliance would cause another domino effect, causing Maul and the Ghost crew to keep intersecting, eventually leading to Sabine obtaining the Dark Saber, a weapon her Clan would have a right too being House Visla, thus creating a scenario to build bridges between the splintered Mandalorian clans and bringing unity and balance, which if Zero Hour's teaser isn't red herring us, may be what saves Phoniex Cell from total annhilation. Leading to Ezra's portrayal in the teaser. Now that the Twin Suns arc is over and Ezra has finally accepted where he is, he finally becoming the heroic Jedi he was meant to be. Telling Mon Mothma he can't just give up, and the implication from the descriptions and such that he brings the Mandalorians to the Atallion attack just solidifies that Ezra's destiny was never tied to defeating the Sith. Luke is the Jedi who can reach Vader and defeat the Sith. Ezra was born on Empire Day, on the day of its founding. Every act of defiance and selflessness he makes inspires more to rally around the Rebels. Luke defeats the Sith, but it's Ezra who is bringing the pieces of the alliance together, the same pieces that will aid Luke in tearing down the Empire.

I think I know how the series will end. It's gonna end on an episode taking place on Empire Day, with it either being a time skip post Death Star 2, or Ezra at the end of the series making a decision that causes the final ripple in the Force needed to unify the Rebels together. And it will be on Empire Day.

Also to be clear, I'm not trying to say Ezra is like the Starkiller of the New Canon in the terms of making everyone else irreverent. I just mean that Ezra's talents stem truly from him follwing his natural selfless instincts (the Force) and the Force rewards his faith being willing to stand up for others with these domino effects. Yes trusting Maul lead to Kanan's blindness and Ahsoka's disappearance, but now Kanan is stronger in the Force and all they achieved in accomplishing by stopping Vader and the Inqusitors objectives relating to the super weapon on Malachor.. and now I'm repeating myself. All I'm saying is that Ezra's actions inspire people, and now it seems by Twin Suns he's mature enough to rise up as the leader he always could be. Any thoughts?

 

Actually, I think you're thinking along the right lines even if I'm not quite with you on your conclusions.

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Hidden in the Maul drama, there were actually two huge Ezra bits in this episode--first, Obi-Wan (who's completely aware of Ezra, meaning he and Yoda have discussed this) states in no uncertain terms that he belongs with the Rebellion. Second, he actually ****s off and lets Obi-Wan deal with Maul. That's such a major shift as to be almost out of character; compare it to his half-cocked Y-wing mission at the start of the season. To the extent that Obi-Wan versus Maul was constructed to serve Ezra as a character, what actually happened? He a) grew the **** up a bit and b) became more committed to the Rebellion than ever. In terms of how his story might end, that's a big deal, and suggests very strongly that he's not just gonna go off into the sunset Because The Force.

 

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Pretty lackluster episode. Did we really need to see Ezra dicking around the desert for 20 minutes until the fight? And then Kenobi just cuts him down and I felt nothing. I wish the episode would have centered on Maul searching for Ben all the while reminiscing about his life and becoming more and more delirious thus making his death more believable. Cameos from Savage and Talzin would have been nice too.

 

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Actually, the funny thing is it actually wraps up that plot because Obi-Wan makes it clear to Ezra, "defeating the Sith is not your job. Defeating the EMPIRE is."

So, him being at Endor is fine now since his Jedi status is secondary now to his Rebel status.

 

You know what the climax of this episode reminded me of immediately??

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I remember when the PT was new... everyone would always make this comparison. That Maul and the PT duels were too showy with their acrobatics and being so drawn-out... people would joke that they wish someone would do to Maul what Indiana Jones does in the Gif above.

I also wondered, if Obi-wan and Maul did fight, how they'd square away Maul's fighting style with ANH Obi-wan's fighting style.

And for Maul to die in Obi-wan's arms, talking about the Chosen One as their great hope...


Well, for all of the reasons above, let me just say this:
"The Circle is now Complete."

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I just wonder if we'll ever get an explanation as to why Obi-wan thought it was Luke, not Leia. Or that it had to be either of Anakin's offspring. Did he have a vision of Luke burning Vader's body on Endor?

 

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Yeah it being a Samurai duel is a cool idea. If Maul had been in more of the ep and Ezra had been given less screen time I would have loved that even more. The fight itself is great and I kinda hope we get more fights like this moving forward. Not that I want many duels to be this way just maybe a few with this handful of hit fights, that and more speed fencing. I miss having a Dooku type around.

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I am pretty sure that was Soresu all the way. Ataru is acrobatics, this was Kenobi not giving leeway and then finishing it when he has an opening. Classic Soresu. There was not even a push and pull like Djem So.