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Comics Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith #7-12: The Dying Light/ Legacy's End (6/6 Released)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by spicer, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Actually, the datachip Jocasta retrieves from the vault is not a Kyber crystal.

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    The Jedi likely transcribed the data off Ropal's Kyber Crystal and onto a normal datachip which could backed up in case it was ever lost. The Kyber Crystal that had the list of Force-sensitive children could olny be read when it was properly integrated into a Jedi Holocron. Furthermore, we know from Rebels that Jedi Holocrons cannot be opened by Dark-Siders, regardless of their background of training. Not even Sidious could do it, as he had to get Bane to act as his proxy and get a Jedi to to open it. Because the "treasure" that Jocasta is carrying is a normal datachip, Sidious will be able to read it's contents with a regular datapad. A bit of a mistake on the part of the Jedi to change data mediums there, but an understandable one given how close they came to losing that data completely in the Clone Wars.
     
  2. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    They have dug themselves quite a plot hole to climb out of haven't they.

    Nu's odd aggression and inability to not let something as little as book throwing risk her whole mission could be seen as another early symptom of dementia.
     
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  3. ConservativeJedi321

    ConservativeJedi321 Force Ghost star 6

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    Hm, I wasn't sure. I assumed it was the Kyber memory crystal, though that photo makes it clear that its not I guess. It makes sense the order would want a back up, but it seems stupid to me to store said back up on an every day data card that anyone can access.

    I was aware Palpatine and Vader can't open Jedi Holocrons, and said so in my post. I was acknowledging those theories as possibilities, but also pointed out that would not make any sense within the canon.
     
  4. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    Well actually she confronted him and asked him questions which is common Jedi procedure. Threatening others with a lightsaber is something that Jedi do all the time (look at Ahsoka in TCW). It's only after he reveals himself as a darksider that she considers killing him.

    That's one interpretation, another is that her entire life was ripped away from her and that she simply snapped when she saw someone spit on the Jedi's legacy. Her mental state isn't the best at the moment.
     
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  5. episodenone

    episodenone Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'd venture the Arrogance of a Sith Lord might feel he or she CAN force open a Jedi Holocron. I'd bet they feel they can do anything. Now that the crystal in the blade theory is one where a Sith had to bend the crystal to its will -- they likely feel the same can be done with a Jedi Holocron.
     
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  6. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    A former Sith Lord thought exactly that.

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    He was wrong.
     
  7. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 4

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    What an amazing preview! I´m too really hoping to shift focus back to the Inquisitors, but Jocasta is turning to be an interesting antagonist for them! I hope we at least get the name of the big one, and to find out if he will be flying around like a new canon Maw would be great too!!
     
  8. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    I came across a question today that made me think. What if Vader couldn't hold on to life on Mustafar and ended up perishing from his wounds. What would Palpatine have done, given that he'd be bereft of an apprentice and there were no longer ten thousand Jedi Knights around to procure a replacement from?

    But then I realized. Palpatine has seven Inquisitors already trained and ready to go, mere days after ROTS. Which means he must have already had them in his employ during the Clone Wars. Perhaps they were secreted away on remote worlds or in clandestine strongholds in the Works. But the most skilled of their number, the Grand Inquisitor was already in Darth Sidious's service by the time of Vader's horrific injury.

    As feeble as the Grand Inquisitor sometimes comes across, he does have some serious Force potential. It's because of his lack of Sith training and focus that he isn't more powerful. Which is the way Palpatine wants it, since he's already got an apprentice. But if Vader fell, the Grand Inquisitor would likely be next in line to be Palpatine's apprentice.


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  9. tatooinesandworm

    tatooinesandworm Jedi Master star 3

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    If Dooku hadn’t died by Anakin, he would still be Palptine’s Apprentice. And we saw how long Palpatine was cultivating Anakin for apprenticeship.

    Sheev strikes me like the kind of guy to have backups to his backups. Which begs the question, who is Palpatine training during the OT as a backup to Vader? We already knew about Cylo’s creations, but there had to be...more.


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  10. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    :looks at the troops outside the Palace:

    Wait, the Empire hired Cobra troopers to supplement the stormtroopers?[face_hypnotized] :p

    Also, isn't the temple the palace now? Where the heck is Palpatine?
     
  11. Arrian

    Arrian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Excellent issue.

    The security droid catching Vader's blade was hilarious. As was that so outlandish and incongruous lightsaber gun. Lmfao.

    And Jocasta has proved herself a true selfless Jedi - deleting all the knowledge in the archives. What a badass.
     
  12. spicer

    spicer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yep, the inquisitors seem like a good substitute. And you're right, Cylo and his minions were considered as potential replacements right from the start apparently.
    Not yet, this takes place like two weeks after ROTS, it would take some time to repurpose the temple into the palace.
     
  13. SensationalSean

    SensationalSean Jedi Master star 3

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    Loved getting more details about the Grand Inquisitor’s past and motivation in #9 - it seems like he was always a bit rotten at his core. It’d be cool to read the story about how Palpatine recruited him and the others.
     
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  14. Arrian

    Arrian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Must say I am a little disappointed in the locations used in the Temple, though. Seems very unoriginal as it's just the same two locations from the films:
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    TCW used more variety than this - and it had limitations in assets. Really bland.
     
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  15. SG-17

    SG-17 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Wow at that
    Lightsaber Blaster. Does it have a name?
     
  16. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    "Bioscans indicate match to Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker"--did the writers forget that Anakin technically was not a Jedi Master??

    Deleting the archives was way too fast and easy. It strikes me as something that should be very difficult to do... What if Jocasta had one day turned to the dark side and deleted the archives herself? It shouldn't be as simple as deleting some electronic copies. Plus, I'm sure the Jedi library has physical books as well.

    I remember the destruction of the library on Ossus in the EU during the Sith War comic book. This seems so anticlimactic compared to that.
     
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  17. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 4

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    Loved this issue. The GI feels like one of the best things about it, from finally getting more depth about him, to his intriguing relantionship with Vader... and a big, easy victory for him. Seems like, Sith training or not, the Inquisitors can be dangerous foes to anyone, including Jedi masters.

    Now I do feel sorry for Jocasta. She made a big mistake, but her intentions were good and now she must deal with two monsters and nowhere to go, nothing to hope but a quick death or some miraculous escape ...
     
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  18. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    Man, GI is in for a world of pain. He's the reason Jocasta could wipe those files. Oh boy.
     
  19. Zer0

    Zer0 Jedi Master star 3

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    Way to go Jocasta. screwing over Luke by deleting all that information.

    That guard droid was pretty badass though, gave Vader a fight.
     
  20. SilentGuy66

    SilentGuy66 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I have a feeling that now
    Jocasta has deleted the archives that she will be kept alive at the emperor's request so that her extensive knowledge can be preserved and subsequently tortured out of her.
    In fact I think it would be cool if she became a permanent prisoner inside the temple. Whenever Vader or one of his inquisitors require information from archives that no longer exist they simply pay a visit to the former librarians cell and "interrogate" her.
     
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  21. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Chosen One star 6

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    Very interesting issue.
    I was glad the droid was able to last longer than I expected. Now Jocasta knows it's Anakin who betrayed the order, that gun is also very unexpected and kinda weird but we'll see how it goes. Hopefully she won't die in the next issue, she didn't really last long against the Grand Inquisitor and she would probably be dead if it wasn't for Vader. R1 connection "I am one with the Force and the Force is with me". I wasn't bothered that Anakin was called "master". Interesting how the Grand Inquisitor doubts Vader's loyalty, wonder if they will explore this further in another arc.
     
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  22. spicer

    spicer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Another issue that proves this is the best SW Marvel series yet
    Getting more info on the GI background - a welcomed addition, although I'm still curious as to exactly how, why and when he turned to the Dark Side. That said, this is an ongoing series, so there are plenty of opportunities for that. All of the action panels in this issue were beautifully dynamic - easy to follow and cool. Vader looks really good in this issue too. Compared to some of the earlier issues in this series, Vader seems more consistent in his appearance and more like the live-action version. I especially loved the panels where he rises from the book pile and when he turns on his crimson blade in the dark, I could almost hear the hiss of his blade just by looking at that panel!
    RIP Cator :( First Arex, and now this... But at least Cator proved itself to be a complete badass before it was destroyed. Catching Vader's lightsaber and keeping up with him in hand to hand combat?!? That's one hell of a droid! Also, I liked the little nod to Rogue 1 by Jocasta. She almost makes up with her badassery for her impulsive reaction from last issue. As for the Jedi gun, I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. On the one hand, it's really good that a Jedi vs Vader fight is spiced up like this. It can get really old really quick to have every single fight be lightsabers only. I appreciate what Purge: The Tyrant's Fist did in that regard, and it seems that this arc too will bring something fresh on the topic. On the other hand, the concept seems like something a 10 year old would come up with (a big gun that can fire electric bolts that can destroy walls that can be used by Jedi only!). It's like a toy commercial :pBut, we'll see how it's utilized fully in the next issue, maybe it will end up being a very interesting weapon!

    Except that there is a brand new room designed for this series (the hidden vault).
    The way I interpret the "Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker" bit is etiquette and paying respect to Jedi in general. Just like the youngling in ROTS calls Vader "Master Skywalker".

    As for deleting the archives, maybe the purging sequence is meant to be really fast and to be used in extreme situations only (like the one in the comic)? If so, it would make sense that the faster they can be deleted the better. And don't forget, this is fictional technology - it can work however the story demands it. It's Star Wars afterall (yeah, I know this may be a cop-out answer, but still...) Also, the archivist in charge (in this case Jocasta) is most likely selected as one after much evaluation, so that the chances of her going rogue and deleting the archives are reduced to a minimum. Yes, I am sure there are some physical books too, but obviously, the amount of digital books is immense. And don't forget that Jocasta has some digital books stored in her school as seen in the previous issues. Now, how she managed to get all of them there and sort them in less than a week is something I hope gets addressed, as right now it makes little sense to me.
     
  23. theraphos

    theraphos Jedi Knight star 2

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    So people can post with breathless glee about how happy it makes them to watch and how much they hate her and she deserves it? No thanks.

    Besides, Jedi Masters don't break under torture. That Rodian guy in TCW literally died first.
     
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  24. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Haven't read most recent issue yet but the last one was a blast, from Vader introducing himself to a bona-fide Imperial servicemen and restraining himself from killing them and the two-page spread of Vader in his meditation mind-scape .... which looks really, really horrific.
     
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  25. ConservativeJedi321

    ConservativeJedi321 Force Ghost star 6

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    What ever happened to "The Archives are quite complete" as GI said in rebels season one?:confused:
    I mean, maybe it's possible to salvage the data if Madam Jocasta just moved it all into the 'Trash Bin' so to speak. But that would seem rather anticlimactic.
    The 'Lightsaber Gun' was really weird, but I will reserve final judgement until the next issue.