ST George Lucas created the exiled Luke on Ach-To idea

But Lucas did talk about Vader's grandchildren being in his story. He also publicly asked J.J about what happened to them. I don't know for sure, but I assume he meant it in plural.

 

I think there were two good Solo kids and a random scavenger at one point. I could be wrong.


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Honestly I think Luke taking on a position like Yoda in the OT is an obvious direction for any sequel to go and I see very little inherently wrong with it, its far more how this device was used and the wider situation it was cast in that I find highly questionable and I'd imagine so would Lucas have.

Personally I did feel Lucas's grasp of drama had clearly wained by the time of the PT but did was clearly still very interested on giving his setting a lot of depth and a sense of history which I find the ST to be clearly lacking in.

 

Would love to see what George Lucas skywalker would have been for this.

 

So now with the ST, just like the PT, we’re saying that the first episode is pointless and we should’ve started with the second episode?


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That's not made explicitly clear, but he leaves after JJ came on board. By this point though, Sam and Kira are already changed to fit this newly developing story. In Lucas' original concepts (which were a little more present in TFA art book) the characters were Skyler and Thea. They both appeared to be grandchildren

 

Thanks. I should get these ST art books. It’ll be expensive with Amazon Jp. So after Winter Holiday. Love to see a Making of... for the ST.

 

Yep, the art work is the reason I bought them.

It does appear that Lucas was still "consulting" around the time Ben became the Jedi Killer and Luke was pushed back. It's not clear if these issues were what caused him to walk away but it is in this timeframe

 

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Remember though, George Lucas can ruin these characters, but no-one else can.

 

I’d doubt he’d have a problem with yet another Skywalker going dark. Maybe the break was coincidental. But this book won’t discuss the age of Sam/Skylar and Kira/Thea being the issue. The questions are did GL stay on board after Disney ditch the original treatment and if he did why leave.

 

He did stay on board and consulted on the new direction with Sam and Kira. Why he left is never made clear

 

TLJ should have had a scene where Kylo tells Rey that he doesn't like sand.

 

Yeah... except that Luke never 'tried to murder his nephew.'

It seems uber Luke fans have only seen Kylo's portion of the flashback and fell asleep during the true version of the flashback - where Luke displays a momentary lapse of judgement based on pure feeling and instinct, ignites his blade, but then immediately regrets his decision. I don't see this as 'trying' or 'plotting to murder his nephew.' I don't see this as 'assassinating Luke's character.' I see this as Luke making a very human mistake because that's what he is, and that's what humans do. We make mistakes, we learn from them, and we find a way to move on to become better people.

Luke made his mistake and felt the overbearing weight of being a deified Jedi Master (the same way many on this board view him... that he can do no wrong) and couldn't accept his failure. Which beautifully sets up his entire arc in TLJ, which is aided by the outstanding scene with Yoda, where he learns to accept his failure with Ben, accept the fact that he is not going to be the one to save Ben, and decides to do something incredible in order to serve peace and justice in the galaxy. I guess that last bit is not Luke Skywalker though.

 

exactly.

 

in the early version the Solo boy was also among the good guys and Jedi killer was unrelated.

 

Which is a pretty obvious plot point.

The question is the context. Who was Kira? Was this Luke in hiding training his niece for years to battle the new Dark side users?

The fundamental question is was Lucas' version of Luke a man who failed his nephew (who turned to the Dark side) and gave up being a Jedi?

Remember in TLJ Luke never agrees to train Rey. She never gets any actual training from Luke.

So that some overall plot points were pulled from Lucas' story into the ST was never really in question.

 

Lucas had several concepts involving Luke also falling to the Dark Side -- as did Mark Hamill -- and the original ending of ROTJ, which Kasdan also said he preferred, was Luke just walking off into the sunset like a cowboy and no big Ewok celebration stuff or Force ghost smiling. Hamill not too long ago had been pitching the story group on "Dark Luke." Which is why I find it so funny that the #notmyluke crowd keep pointing to that edited out of context video while turning a blind eye to who Luke really wanted Luke to be (Evil Luke).

 

http://mashable.com/2017/12/21/mark-hamill-last-jedi-not-my-luke-skywalker/#1LcjlCRVGOqa


Mark is leading the #notmyluke campaign. And again you kinda are missing the whole point. It has nothing to do with the basics of the story going back to your original post of Luke being in exile training a young girl in the ways of the force. It is the “execution” of that story that many people are finding fault in. I could go in details of what people are finding many faults in but what be the point? Therefore I will just point out that this idea of the actual story that Mark himself is driving the #notmyluke campaign combined with the fact it’s not the story itself that many people are finding fault in, it’s the execution.

 

I will just about guarantee you that within a couple more days, once he's relaxed from all this non stop press (he hasn't tweeted in 3 days) that he'll go on record as being in support of this Luke.

But again... I point out that Hamill's Luke was to be evil. That's what he pitched and wanted. Would you have preferred that? I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

Really? We're gonna go back to citing out-of-context interview quotes? And then post click bait articles with no credibility whatsoever? Awesome.

 

luke does train rey in tlj.

 

no he is not. more fake news.