Full Series Official Star Wars Rebels Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Actually now that I think about it I think there was an accountant in the book Kenobi.

 

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/dave-f...rge-lucas-and-tolkien-impact-star-wars-rebels

I am assuming you can't answer this, but will we see Kanan again?

Dave Filoni: That's a great question. I'm not gonna say. The only thing I would bring up about that, and I'm imagining flying force ghosts, is that I learned from George that being a force ghost isn't just as easy as dying and then you reappear. There's actually a whole philosophy and methodology around it that we got into in Clone Wars with Yoda and Qui-Gon and how Jedi in the prequel era don't actually believe that you can maintain your own individual consciousness after death. They believe you're part of the living force at first and then you pass on and become part of the cosmic force and part of the whole.

In that way, when you see the Dume wolf, to say that Dume isn't exactly Kanan, it's not his individual consciousness, but it is a part of the whole. All material is matter, all things at one level on the same level in different states constantly changing. So Dume is kind of a version of that. There's a consciousness to some degree of Kanan in it, but not so active that it would say, "Hello, Ezra."

I really didn't want Kanan to die, [but] the fact that he was being a hero in the moment and completing the mission and in a way fulfilling his promise to Hera, all in that moment, was incredible. If he had to go, that would be the way to do it.

I really appreciate that. I do not subscribe at all to the idea that because there's one line in a movie that says "When gone am I the last of the Jedi you will be" that my characters have to die. I don't buy into that in the least. I think all those lines are subjective. When I see people saying they have to die, that's absolutely not true.

I definitely try to make it the story it needs to be for Star Wars Rebels. That's something that when I talk to Kiri Hart and she and Simon Kinberg and I have always been focused on. I know the movies, but we have to answer the problems and questions we set up in this show and show how to deal with them and remain very true to what George always taught me about Star Wars and about the Jedi and about selflessness and selfless actions.

The most significant action of Luke Skywalker is to throw away his weapon [in Return of the Jedi]. That's when he becomes a Jedi. Not because of some power he learns as a Jedi, not because of some way to use the force, it's his capacity to care about his father and to be willing to die for him. That's the entire ball game right there. I will lay down my arms. You cannot hurt me.

What he's telling the Emperor there is the same thing that Obi-Wan told Vader, "If you strike me down I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." But people that are evil and filled with fear don't understand that when Obi-Wan dies to Vader's hand that he's become powerful. They only think the Death Star is powerful. But Obi-Wan becomes the inspiration that motivates Luke to become something that Luke couldn't have become otherwise.

That's how you really win over evil in the end. It's not about being the hero, it's about doing something that's right and good just because you believe in it. That's what we need a lot of right now. I think Kanan being able to embody that for this boy who grew up on this planet who needs to understand that, he lost his parents before, you could, of course, lose them again, what Kanan's trying to show him is how he led his life and what he chose to have his life be about is important. And that it's for others.

Those are the key things that I think drive the story of Rebels and hopefully, it works. It's not easy stuff in the story but I think we get somewhere that we'll see what people think. We're so close now. I'm so glad you guys are getting to watch it. I like that we can have these discussions. It's exciting for me.

[Right about this point, I may have started to cry. Like one does.]

I ask myself all the time why do I do these stories the way I do. They tend to have this drama unfold in them. I don't know, I like that people feel. I think it's important to feel and be invested in things. When I see that people care about the good things, it makes me think there's a lot of hope out there that we all in-kind want the same thing. For good things to happen and for us to prevail over what is otherwise known as evil.

We have to accept that sometimes, Kanan leads the way, Obi-Wan, Gandalf even, "Fly you fool, fly." Those are the heroes I grew up with. Obi-Wan and Gandalf and Frodo. For me as a kid, reading Lord of the Rings, I realized at one point reading the books that Frodo's up there on this Mount Doom, he's never met anybody from Gondor, he's never met anybody from Rohan, and he doesn't know the people. He didn't live there or grow up there. But he's ready to die for all these people. Because it's the right thing to do, it's for the greater good. That's very powerful to me. Those things lasted with me obviously all the way through my life. Working with George really helped focus my storytelling to help get you guys. And we have a great team here that love these stories and characters too.

 

I wish people wouldn't keep supporting channels like Video Clips HD and Star Wars Rebels Fans. They upload clips invariably from pirated copies of the episodes and don't give a damn about putting major spoilers in their titles, which screws over anyone who ever clicked on one of their videos by putting their videos in their Recommended list (because if they haven't seen the newest episode yet, they get exposed to these spoilers).

They may end up generating more interest in the show but I bet most of the new viewers also pirate the episodes on sites like Limewire or Kazaa instead of buying legit copies. And Rebels merchandise is so poor that it's not like they'll recover the income lost through those sales.

 

I mean to be fair it’s not like any official channel was ever going to upload that.

 

And I'm aware that I'm fighting a losing battle, but it still bothers me how prevalent these unofficial channels are and how much they encourage piracy.

 

I doubt it. In "Twin Suns", Obi Wan pretty much tells Ezra that the (destroying the Sith) story is not his story at all, but by "getting into someone else's story" he's letting it all go. I feel the same is with Rey. Rey and Rebels are separate stories, and don't have to be connected to each other beyond simply existing in the same universe.

Though it would have been fun to see Ezra interact with Luke not as a Jedi, Rebel, or Child Soldier, but as a regular teenager.

 

I think you're exaggerating the situation. I doubt a multi-billion dollar corporation like Disney suffers any real loss from that.

 

Money is money and any dollar Disney is making probably makes them more happy.

 

I think someone went on record and said that Rebels won't tie directly into the ST, but i've been wrong before. There's already been thematic connections.

 

I think Filoni is mistaken by focusing merely on that one line into why people wanted Kanan and now Ezra dead.

It's not just that line, but Yoda himself encountering Kanan ( and knighting him as well by influencing a force vision) and Ezra. If Filoni wanted to keep that line subjective during the making of Rebels, he could have had Yoda never show in the series. Perhaps allowing Yoda to believe Luke was the last when he died, while not knowing about Ezra still being a jedi.

Then you add the whole Tarkin telling Vader he is the last one left of the jedi religion in ANH. But even with that phrase, he is still brought into Rebels and learning about Kanan and Ezra. Tarkin showing up wasn't a necessity for this series, but Filoni brought him in anyways.

It's interesting that I think Filoni has mentioned (not 100% certain) that Tarkin's line to Vader means that the Inquisitors (dark jedi) are not around anymore during the OT, but doesn't seem to use that line as further reason to remove Kanan and Ezra from the equation.

Filoni later had young Leia encounter Kanan and Ezra, even seeing him ignite his blue blade. Though again we have the OT era marvel comics where Luke is trying to find jedi knowledge to help him grow in his path, but no one else in the Rebellion is a Jedi, and he sure hangs out with Leia a lot. So if Kanan was still alive, it would have raised questions why Leia never mentioned him to Luke when the farmboy wanted to learn more about the jedi. Same goes if Ezra is still doing jedi acts within the Rebellion

So what Im getting at is that its more complicated when it comes to reasons for wanting Ezra dead (or ditching jedi/rebellion path) now then merely that 1 line from Yoda. Filoni could have avoided a lot of said discussion about reasons by not adding certain things into the show.

 

I think fans are reading too much into things, tbh. I know that is what Star Wars fans do best, but Dave's comments are being taken too literal.

 

Would the show have been as fun without Kanan and Ezra? Come On, we all here have a lightsaber fix we need filled.

 

Fair point.

 

Filoni isn't going to say out right Ezra will die, even if that was in the plans. He would say exactly whet he said, no matter if Ezra is intended to survive the series or not. That would be just a bit too big of a spoiler to even remotely hint at.

 

Rebels could have its lightsaber fix with just Kanan and Ahsoka as Jedi who showed up. Ezra wasn't needed as a Jedi in training. A regular Ezra is much preferred. A boy that doesn't create discussion like "does he need to die before Lukes Jedi journey" and can easily still be active in the Jedi rebellion during the OT days. Never cared for a new Jedi showing up before Luke became one.

 

One of the things I wish we had gotten was Kanan and Ezra doing lightsaber training like Kanan and Depa Billaba did in the Kanan comic.

 

What your saying you didn’t like Kanan training him with the milk cartons?

 

I was fine with that...I think this would have been a nice shout out to the comic...especially Kanan quoting her teaching to Ezra.

 

Reading the descriptions for the finale and how it's supposed to bring a lot of old characters back (we know Gregor and Wolffe and Hondo are there from the trailer and I imagine Cham and his group will be there too) I kind of wish they acknowledged the other Rebels works outside of the show by having Ezra call Bossk who he met in a book and somehow get's in contact with Kanan's old enemy Kleeve and partner Janus Kasmir who maybe join out of respect for Kanan. Then again it would be strange to have characters who a general audience don't know show up and act like they know the characters. Maybe if they had appeared earlier in the show it could have worked.

 

Imagine Rae Sloane working under Thrawn too. That would be a really cool idea that would make me happy.

 

Well, we may not have gotten regulars but the guests were amazing: Ahsoka, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Lando, etc. But my favorite was bringing back Hondo. And I'm glad we will get him one more time before this all ends.

So I wasn't excited back in 2014...I gotta give props to Dave Filoni. I care about these characters. I care a lot more about these characters than any from the TFA, TLJ or Rogue One. Filoni really came through yet again and I give him my props. Way to make me eat crow dude. Way to go.

 

My prediction is that Ezra will probably head off to find Ahsoka on Malachor or otherwise end up in some other limbo, and it ends with Hera heading to join the main rebel fleet at Yavin, alluding to the upcoming Scarif battle. Sabine survives, Zeb probably too, Pryce dies, Thrawn probably not but likely ends up with a pie in his face.