Full Series Rebels 4.13 - A World Between Worlds - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

That scene is just pure emotion for me.

 

The episodes were certainly very pretty, but the more I think about them the more I'm not sure I like them all that much. "My fave's dramatic wrapping-up-their-story-threads-neatly death scene is gonna be cancelled real quick in whatever random way just because I want to keep my fave FOREVER at all costs, and also they're ascending to some kind of special demigod status and will have infinite adventures with every other character the author likes for eternity" is something I expect to see (and have seen) from fanfiction by probable teenagers, and I could pretty much feel myself emotionally disengaging as soon as Ahsoka tumbled out of the portal.

I didn't expect her announced return to go any particular way, but my reaction to what we got was basically "Oh. Really?"

Especially in Star Wars, where dead generally means finally, meaningfully gone outside of a few specific ghosts. Now Ahsoka's just sort of here because whatever and Kanan decided to be a Force ghost in a fursuit because that's a thing that happens now I guess. It does feel a lot like fanfiction, and if there's a future show indulging schmoopy fan fantasies of Ahsoka training Luke and telling him all the things or whatever I don't think I'll be watching it at all. This kind of "writing decisions determined by wish fulfillment" style just doesn't work for me anymore. Same reason I hate the nine billion PT fanfics where whoever the author's favorite character is travels back in time and rewrites history so it's all fluffy kittens.

Which reminds me, Filoni has also admitted he would have undone Plo Koon's death if Lucas hadn't specifically told him to knock it off. Plo is my favorite SW character and I still would have intensely hated if Filoni did this. The guy really does have a problem letting go of his faves and giving them a strong ending - letting it be real and final - in the service of the greater story, which makes it weird when he tries to use Ahsoka - his greatest attachment - to lecture Ezra about letting go mere minutes after Rebels engaged a flimsy plot device to refuse to let go of her. Because why? The script basically answers with a shrug.

Maybe the final episodes will wrap all this up in a way I find more satisfying, whatever, sure that'd be cool. But as it stands right now, I'm realizing I just kinda feel apathetic about how things are going and that's not how I expected to feel going in.

In before any attempts to make this a debate: you're welcome to love the episodes! I'm glad if you do! But I don't and I don't care at all to have a debate about it either. I was just in the mood to write my thoughts down somewhere.

 

I mean this thread is about sharing our opinions.

 

I agree with the poster above about Ahsoka. But Filoni said Kanan is not a force ghost only Hera's memory. And his role as DUME (bits of him in the wolf) was only to point Ezra in the right direction to save her

But I've finally watched it again with my younger teenagers. And they said two things.
1) Ezra's lesson was to let go of his loved ones. But he has already lost his parents, and it was dramatic and sad. Wasn't that enough? Why did he need to lose more and more? Is this really a good lesson?
That was the older one. But the younger made me laugh...
2) So Ahoka was jealous because she couldn't save her master so she forbade Ezra to save his, right?

I know I have different opinion about those couple of episodes but because I watch them with the show's target it's somehow watching through the kids eyes.
And I hate to hate anything so when my emotions cooled down I hoped to see something more. But I didn't and they had questions I didn't expect them to have.

And we used to talk a lot after each episode. About Empire (and Europe's history influencing our view of it), about family, about responsibilities, importance of hope and being together etc. That's why I valued Rebels so highly, that's why it was our family's fav show.

But it doesn't look like it still is, which is sad.

 

The episode guide says this "Kanan found the moment when he was needed most, and made his sacrifice. That was his last lesson." So not necessarily to "let go" (cause yeah, that lesson is pretty much tarnished given the events that led to its teacher's presence), but to realize the value of sacrifice and the necessity of your own death to preserve the things you value (also kinda tarnished given Ahsoka's sacrifice in fighting Vader is gone but whatevs). Its kinda an interesting lesson for Ezra going into a finale...

 

It's not a real episode discussion unless:

1. Some shots are taken at the ST.
and
2. The "Legends is an alt universe" theory is brought up.

We're 2 for 2 here people. Good job.

 

Well, that was cool!

I hadn't seen anyone pegging Chirrut's line before, but that might be the sweetest tie-in of them all -- blind dude, non-Jedi, but a guy whose take on The Force is more solid and universal than, arguably, just about anyone else whose voice is heard.

 

It will be a great finale then we'll shed a tear because its just gone like that.

 

Interesting how you hear Vader while the camera is showing Ahsoka. I'm sure that was deliberate.

 

It was quite awesome though, even to hear Jyn and others.

 

Anyone else figuring the Emperor will come for Ezra and when he tries to kill him Ahsoka returns the favour pulling him back in between worlds and they waste no time finding another exit?!
Ezra will clearly either die or is assumed dead, personally I'd love them to have him end up on Jakku where he helps raise an abandoned little girl name Rey...

 

Now I understand this episode much better. Still a bit trippy if you ask me.

 

Well glad we could clear that up for you.

 

Exactly! Beating a dead horse once again(or a dead Kanan), but there were many ways the story could have gone. Ezra could have accidentally pulled Ahsoka out, then the two of them could - could - have helped Kanan control the explosion and saved the Ghost + Kanan. Two Jedi, it might have been possible. Ahsoka might not be a "Jedi", but she was still trained and has powers.
Maybe if we assume there are fixed points in time - things that *must* happen, then Kanan could still be rescued, spoke to Ezra, then sent on his way to sacrifice himself to give Ezra full closure. Or, Ahsoka - since she was rescued, then where the hell is she anyway? Did she jump in to help the Rebels? What a jerk if she just decided to hang out on the planet and wait for this crap to go down? There were ships there, she was clever enough to fix one, we see her leaving the planet...

She knew Kanan was in the process of getting killed. She knew it. Let's just think there.....if she knew this, then she knew the Rebels were in trouble. She literally watches someone die, knows and doesn't do a damn thing. If she comes back through her time portal, and doesn't help, doesn't join back up with the crew, she will get a Jedi (who she is friends with) killed. Time is pretty slippery, but I think I'm right here...You could have had her show up just a little bit before these episodes and work with them - Gods, there were so many different ways it could have gone down, and Ahsoka - well, she didn't need to be in any of them unless she could have helped in a meaningful way. But no....she doesn't.
It's not to hard to close the time loop, have her get out of the fight, rejoin Rebels, and help them out - and Kanan lives.

Again, I'm really salty because, unlike Obi-Wan, or Vader, or any of the other Jedi, I got really attached to the Ghost crew and Kanan. He was fully developed and a great character - and belonged in Rebels. You spend 4 seasons with a strong character and then he gets killed; yet a character whose arc was finished in Clone Wars waltzes right in with no rhyme or reason (other than it seems the director likes her). Ugh.

 

Ezra could not help Kanan or else Ezra’s past self would see his future self and that would probably screw a whole lot of things up.

 

How was Minister Tyden able to learn anything from the Jedi Archives when Jocasta Nu erased the entire database mere days after Order 66?

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Perhaps they had started to copy it over?

 

Except that the Archives and the entire Temple seem totally empty up to the point Jocasta wipes the data cores.



And according to her.



So it makes no sense that the Minister would be able to consult any of the Temple records. They're completely erased after Order 66.

 

My guess is the Supreme Chancellor accessed the files before Order 66. You know, for national security purposes. Or maybe Dooku was tasked by Palpatine to pull an Edward Snowden before leaving the order and take a few important files.

 

How would the Chancellor access the private records of the Jedi Order? In The Lost One we learn that the Chancellor and the Jedi Order do not share archival data with each other.

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Sounds like Soule has some splannin' to do.

 

My headcanon is after the events of the Mortis trilogy, the Chancellor requested some files for an intelligence briefing. "Hey Jedi, who are these people? Are they a threat to the Republic? Can you show me what you know?" The Jedi trusted him and thought it was a big deal so they made an exception and Palpatine stashed it in his personal library of arcane GFFA cosmology and magic.

 

Didn't the Jedi mistrust the Chancellor by that point in the war? How would Palpatine even learn of the events on Mortis? It's not like the Jedi were in the habit of discussing these mystic things with the head of the government.

Mace Windu certainly didn't trust the Chancellor completely after the Zillo Beast Incident.

"The Dark Side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor."

Pablo has some explaining to do. Soule's issue was released before this episode aired. Keeping these things straight is Pablo's job after all.