Rogue One What was your reaction the first time seeing the Vader hallway scene?

I loved the scene, but I cannot even imagine a new Vader film or trilogy. He already got 7 films.

 

^Saying Vader has seven films is like saying Han now has five. They've appeared in other films, but that doesn't make it theirs.

 

While true, cinematicaly it can be said that we don't know what Vader's life was like...It could work with good writing.

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This. In addition to that, it should be noted how strong Vader's mere presence is. He owns entire chunks of films with only a smattering of minutes' worth of actual screen time. New films that try to focus on him even more might sound cool at first, but they could backfire or at least leave people wondering what the point was. I think it could be a case of "be careful what you wish for".

At any rate, his two scenes in RO were perfect, I thought. I don't need to see him in more films going forward, but if they had a story-based need for him and the scenes worked like those RO scenes did, then I'd be fine with that.

 

Well, what's the point of a Han Solo spinoff? The point of R1? I don't see why a Vader film would be any less pointless or have more of the risk of backfiring than those concepts. If they're going to make films about Han, and possibly Obi-Wan and Boba Fett, making one about Vader seems like a no-brainer.

But if not, I'd at least like something that's about characters serving the Empire. "Stormtrooper: A Star Wars story" or something.

 

They already did.

 

Well, I think it comes back to this again...

As well known as Han is, we've not gotten his back story in the movies yet. And even though we knew the Rebels stole the plans to the Death Star before ANH started, we didn't see how before... and RO also showed us main characters we didn't know before.

 

^What makes you think a Vader film couldn't have a story and characters that we haven't seen before? I don't see how it'd be limited in this but R1 and a Han Solo movie wouldn't.

If people don't want a Vader film because they just don't want him to be over-exposed, I get that. But there's no reason to think there aren't story possibilities for it.

Agree to disagree, I guess.

 

I'd be interested in a TV or film series about the rise and domination of the Empire in the years between ROTS and ANH. Which in that case would obviously place Vader as an important and/or central figure in it.

 

@MotivateR5D4 This why I'm so thankful for FF...I would LOVE to see that if done well. I know that other material has done it, but I'm always turned off by the more machine then man extreme senarios they portray.

 

I'm pretty sure I just grinned like an idiot and giggled manically the first time. I was so wrapped up I honestly don't remember. I enjoyed it though.

 

A Vader movie is not necessary – but the same goes for Solo, the ST, Rian Johnson’s trilogy, a possible Kenobi movie, or whatever movie LFL puts out in the future. What new characters or new concepts or new worldbuilbing or new interpretations you learn in these movies can be also applied to a Vader movie.

Ultimately, it’s about whether the story is worth telling and whether there is a an audience for it. Nobody is questioning whether Nolan’s Batman trilogy was necessary, despite there have been already plenty of Batman movies and TV series.

I think that there is a certain fear of ruining Vader if one makes him too prominent in a movie (and I have that fear too, the ST didn’t give me much confidence in their treatment of Legacy characters), but a good movie that does him justice and shows us new things would be a welcoming pleasure.

 

I agree really. The question is "What sort of Vader do you want to see?" because if a movie was made that focuses on him, he would have to be sympathetic or an anti-hero in order to carry the audience along for two hours. Fans love him in the original trilogy, either because his role is to act as a foil for our heroes, or is shown later as a tragic figure who then tries to make amends and come back to the good side. As audiences, we accept either, but a role where he is effectively the story protaganist might muddy his status within the OT story arc.

 

Not… necessarily. I mean you can still explore a sympathetic Vader if the end goal is a character development that further sinks him in the darkside, but it’s not the only way to go.

It depends on what is his role in the movie and who is his nemesis.

I can think of two examples:

1. A movie showing the transition to the Empire we see in the OT with Order 66 survivors/others and with Vader as the main villain. Sure he wouldn’t be the main protagonist, but one could still call it an essential “Vader movie” that would have an audience for it.

2. Something in the style of Kieron Gillen’s comics. In which Vader would be the main protagonist (and still an evil dude), but he would be paired with lighthearted characters like Aphra, and his nemesis would be someone people can despise more than Vader. This could appeal to both "sympathetic Vader" fans and "super evil killing machine" fans as well.

Either way, it would be a dark movie. Which is what makes a movie about him a perhaps more tricky endeavor for Disney (I don’t however it has nothing to do with whether it’s “necessary” or not).

 

I understand that fear very well...TCW left a lot to be desired for me.

I believe there's a lot of material on both sides of the spectrum for competent writer to meet the fandom in the middle...the challenge for said writer would be respecting the material, while not getting wrapped in their own canon; like I feel Filoni/team did on TCW and Rebels.

 

To answer the question of the topic ..I squealed and giggled like a lil school girl!

As to the talk of a Stand alone Vader movie.....while I respect everyone thoughts of should there shouldn't there and what kind of vader would we want etc...lets be real, if we got 2hrs of Vader doing what he did at the end of Rogue One, ...Im pretty sure most of us would have to be sedated!

 

It was a perfect coda. The selfless heroism of the Rebel soldiers who were mowed down defending the plans was a powerful testament to what Jyn and the crew had done. It also served as a transition from the murky realism of Rogue One the "war film," to the clear, pop-mythic archetypal world of A New Hope, an "adventure film." Edwards literally gave us a transition scene between two very different films, and eras of film-making. Brilliant.

 

First time I have really looked at these discussion boards, so I will give my thoughts to this one.

To me that Vader hallway scene redeems the character. The prequels really destroyed Vader for me, he was no longer the "badass" from the classic trilogy. This scene and the scene with Krennic really brought back his ruthless, sadistic, fearsome persona. He again became the Emperor and Tarkin's assassin.

 

I watched ROTS and R1 back-to-back last weekend and seeing burning Anakin spitting venom then, later, carving up rebels in the corridor works brilliantly. I can imagine his gnarled expression under his helmet as his hate fuels his sadistic attack - and it really is viscious. To say it took my breath away at the cinema would be an understatement.

Imagine being stuck in that corridor staring into the dark with the undertone of uncertainty and despair filling the air. You hear that terrifying breathing and then nothing less than a giant black devil illuminates the room with red and you know in that moment that there is no escape; that your end is now and it is going to be viscious and abrupt. A masterclass in sheer terror.

 

I would now like to offer my sincerest apologies for spelling 'vicious' with an 's' no less than twice. I except any form of punishment including falling through a grate into a rancor pit and carbonite freezing.

 

Sorry 'accept'. Now it can be nothing less than a merciless hurl down a reactor shaft.

I suddenly thought of one more thing that I love about this scene: the front line rebel, the guy who shoots first - I love the look on his face when he sees Vader. His look of sheer terror is one of the most memorable fleeting moments in the film for me.

 

I clapped in the theater, and then realized maybe I shouldn't be clapping. Best villain ever.

 

Apology excepted, @Blobofat.

 

It created excitement, fear, and intrigue. I saw an evil figure, who had power, and NO fear. Vader hooked me with his first appearance.