Full Series Asajj Ventress in the Clone Wars discussion thread

And I feel that you don't seem to be happy with all the answers to your many following-up questions here in this thread. You neither say thanks nor do you give any likes. So at what are you aiming on here?

 

I'm not sure what you're aiming at. I made my statement that I didn't care about character enough to remember him. I don't remember any rules in here that you have to express gratitude or like every response to your posts.

 

I love the art and how crazy durge is. Those comics also show how much of a stud Anakin is. Count me as another that like the legends version of Asajj better for backstory and interaction with others


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Of course there is no special rule about feedback to answering posts here. It has something to do with the observance of general behavior in this board over the years and one's own upbringing.

 

Yeah whatever. That works both ways, you know? I know there are members in the forums here who would never like any of my posts for the simple reason that they can't stand Ahsoka. That made me think about how Ashley herself was essentially drawn away from the forums once upon a time because of the childish abuse from people who just need to get a life.

 

Ventress being one of my favorite female characters in all of Star Wars I have to say I like both canon and Legends depictions of her. I think for the most part both continuities handled her pretty well (I haven't read Dark Disciple yet but I've heard less then favorable things about her portrayal in that book) and I love how even when she turns from the Separatists she doesn't go full good guy and still is a snarky badass. One of the best anti-heroes we got from Star Wars IMO.

Not that related to the topic but I don't care if he's not the most complex character ever, I still love Durge for being one the most savage, monstrous and underrated villains we got from legends clone wars IMO.

 

I'd still recommend reading DD and coming up with your own feelings about it. I didn't think it was as terrible as people have suggested; and it gives closure to her character.

 

I couldn't finish it.

 

I think the biggest criticism of the book was that most people just didn't appreciate her relationship with Vos; which I thought was kind of ironic, in the sense that most people here like Vos as they like Ventress. I guess they just assume that they're just not supposed to be compatible with one another.

 

The novel starts on the wrong foot from the get go by making the Jedi consider assassination as a valid solution to their problem (just another forced, out-of-character jab to support the 'corrupt and evil Jedi' narrative). That's my first and foremost problem. Then there's the source material that is not really appropriate for a novel, in my opinion. The writer clearly took some liberties and goes excessively into the character's thoughts and more often than not it becomes nothing more than just jarring and cringe-worthy moments, one after another. I still think this would have been better had it been adapted to a more straightforward format, like a comic book.

 

I thought the book was alright, but I do think it would have been better in a different medium. As much as I'd like to see it (as well as Son of Dathomir) in animated form as intended, I don't think we're going to get the Dark Disciple storyline as part of Season 7, since the primary new content is the Siege of Mandalore and the rest is implied to be finished versions of the Utapau and Bad Batch arcs (as those already have the voice work done). A shame since Ventress was a major character on the show, and she deserves to have her closure shown on the screen.

 

Comic would better than a novel, since it would naturally limit all the lovey-dovey scenes. Plus Ventress and Vos belong in comics. They're visual characters. I want to see Ventress and Dooku dancing!

Imagine how much better it'd be, if animated.

 

Dark Horse could have done it.

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Marvel? No, I don't think they would even want to.

 

Here's the fallacy of the gripe about the notion that the novel goes into liberties by "forcing" the corrupt and evil Jedi narrative; explain to me how it's a problem that the Council decided to kill Dooku to put an end to the war, and yet towards the end of ROTS it's pretty clear that Windu absolutely wants to kill Palpatine after finding out he's the Sith Lord. ROTS is considered the best of the PT movies, isn't it?

 

That's false. The moment Windu found out Palpatine was the Sith Lord, he tried to arrest him. Twice. And this isn't something inferred, nor a subjective assumption. He stated as much on both occasions. And on both occasions Palpatine resisted arrest by trying to murder Windu (and successfully murdering the other Jedi that accompanied him).

It is to some, not to others. In any case, it's completely irrelevant to the argument.

 

It's debatable at least. "He's too dangerous to be left alive".

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...s-darth-sidious-what-really-happened-r/77247/

 

No, it's not debatable:

"In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you're under arrest, Chancellor."

And later:

"You are under arrest, my lord."

That came much later, after Palpatine tried to kill Windu again even after being disarmed of his lightsaber (i.e: completely different circumstances). Not at all what you originally claimed:

 

Here's the thing, it's been a few years since I last read DD, so I didn't remember offhand the circumstances as to why the Council would've resorted to assassination. Even beyond this description on Wookiepedia:

<<In a Republic ship fleeing Mahranee, a refugee, Ashu-Nyamal, runs away from her family, as she wants revenge on the Separatists. After evading a Clone trooper, she reaches the bridge where she sees Jedi General Chubor pleading to Count Dooku by hologram, to allow the refugees to escape. After revealing that he knows the conversation is being broadcast back to the Jedi Council, Dooku orders the ships destroyed. The Attack on Mahranee was witnessed by the Jedi Council. This pushes them to a morally questionable decision - as suggested by Master Mace Windu: assassinate Count Dooku and thus end the Clone Wars.>>

What about the use of a Clone army to begin with? It's obvious since the beginning of the Clone Wars that the Jedi threw out the rulebook of the Old Republic. It certainly didn't take them long to jump on the army bandwagon after the invasion of Naboo by the Separatists, did it?

 

It's the Republic that's using the clone army. And the Jedi, as servants of the Republic, were appointed to lead the army in order to protect the Republic and do whatever they can to end the war as soon as possible.

What's obvious is that the Republic was about to be invaded by a secret separatist army. Clone army or not, the Jedi are bound to serve and protect the Republic. Staying in the sidelines is not a solution to the problem.

What army bandwagon?! And the separatists didn't invade Naboo. The Trade Federation did.

 

If serving and protecting the Republic means getting your hands dirty (i.e. assassinating the merciless, ruthless leader of the opposing army), then the circumstances of DD would still fit the description. Whatever means necessary to end the war, right?

 

No. What made you jump to that conclusion to begin with? The Jedi are not (and never were) about the end justifying the means.

 

"Whatever they can" ≠ "Whatever means necessary".

 

Well, this novel was the way Lucas planned that arc when it was in development for The Clone Wars. Also, u may not like that the Jedi considered assassination, but, you should remember that the Jedi lost their way in the Clone Wars that they did things that they knew that could break their morals. That’s what happens in a Galaxy where War corrupts heroes.

Actually, it does.