Lit The Empire's future: the First Order, or the Fel Dynasty & Imperial Knights?

Omega Red, to Fel's understanding, would ONLY kill the Sith.
(which we know it wouldn't, that Maladi sabotaged it, but he didn't know it.)

* The Emperor was slightly more than a figurehead. The Moffs overruled his veto with the war, and the Sith. The only thing he could do, he did, which was keep the IKs out of the war.
* See first point... he didn't have the power to, he wasn't an absolute monarch. He wasn't even commander-in-chief.
* See above, though I agree he should have done more "under the radar," like sending some IKs to covertly capture or kill the Sith leaders.
* Roan actually made the choice that Yoda wanted Anakin to make... to let go of his personal attachment, and not endanger others out of attachment. He also, despite being a monarch, didn't think his bloodline was as important as someone good being in charge. He probably would have just appointed one of his IKs as his successor if Marasiah did die.
* I don't remember what this refers to.
* It was a mistake... but she was a POW, he didn't "recruit" her.
* Of the Sith, and becoming Sith (or at least remaining Sith) was a choice, especially after Krayt's massacres began. So not a genocide, but a targeted assassination. Not the most moral, obviously, but not genocide to try to create a weapon to kill all of the enemy's soldiers (and as far as he knew, soldiers only).


Now, I am not a Roan Fel apologist, though this post might make it appear that way. He became a bad person, and there was something off about him from the start. But we need to be fair in criticism of him.

 

All very good points. I would say that the first mistake Fel made was to trust Maladi at all. He should know better than to ever trust a Sith. She was playing him from the very beginning. Everything she said and did was at Krayt's direction. Fel was duped and tricked by the True Emperor. Much like Anakin was by Sidious. Although I'm certain Hogrum Chalk played a role in the downfall of Roan Fel as well. He was certainly secretly pleased when his brother in-law was killed.

But at the end of the day, Roan Fel is to blame for his own demise. He made all his choices on his own, for better or worse. He should have known better than to ever trust the word of a Sith.

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Well in fairness Maladi did have a legitimate emotional/mental breakdown and thus Roan could trust she was being genuine, she recovered her marbles and then started playing him.

 

So, Roan is a figurehead ruler now?

The Emperor of the Empire?

Everyone treats him as quite the opposite. It's just the Moffs have the respect and love of the military (through the Yage family and the fact Morlish Veed is an ex-Grand Admiral).

There's a lot of hoops versus the somewhat easier, "Roan Fel just isn't good at his job."

 

The moffs overruled Fel on the Sith imperial war. If the emperor doesn't have the final call on whether or not his government is going to war he isn't an absolute authority.

 

Roan also just caved regularly to peer pressure as we saw.

 

It wouldn't matter how susceptible he was to peer pressure-if he was an absolute emperor and he says no he means no. He said "no" the and the moffs said "yes"

 

That would be the case if it reflected any absolute emperor ever, including Alexander. In real life, their attempts to rule absolutely did not work.

And in the GFFA?

See Palpatine.

And Roan.

 

Charles... he was not an absolute monarch. He was overruled when it came to declaring war. He had no real power where it mattered the most. He only gained real power AFTER the coup, among his loyalists.

 

Even if Marasiah was lost, it's not unlikely that Roan Fel would've just remarried after the war and aimed for a male heir. If I remember right, Marasiah was pretty controversial as a legitimate heir even among his own followers.

 

Who would he remarry-ties with the Hapans have cooled Who would be of Roan Fel's social station? A Chiss noblewoman?

 

That's a strong possibility. In an alternate reality where Legacy wasn't rushed to the end in both instances, Maladi ended up Roan Fel's lover.

 

Somehow I keep getting Melisandre and Stannis vibes from their relationship.

It's apparent that sense the Fels are royals and they married Hapan royals they follow the practice of only marrying other royals. Problem is for Roan in the event of Marasiah's death-there aren't many queens or princesses of suitable station worthy of him. Except the Hapans with whom political ties have grown cold, and maybe the Chiss though probably not even them.

 

There is also the Hutts and the Toff

 

I don't think the Fels will be marrying into either one of those.

 

Uh... there's quadrillions of women in the Fel Empire alone. And this isn't really what this thread is about.

 

None of appropriate social class and station though-worthy enough to marry emperor roan Fel. I suppose Fel could lower his standards and marry an Alsakani noblewoman or some other aristocrat-but I don't think a commoner would do for him.

 

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This kind of elitism is why I dislike monarchies.

 

If a Force User has this sort of attitude, he's lost the Light Side.

 

Not necessarily-Vergere does reference Jedi dynasties. So it's possible Jedi might only marry other Jedi to keep the bloodline strong in the force-it's aristocratic and ineglitarian but it is something we have evidence happened and happens.

 

Vergere only mentions it to say it's something that could happen, and that it would be much worse than mistakes made by the PT Jedi, and strongly warns against it happening. She's speechless that Luke doesn't see this as a bad idea.

 

She refers to it in the past tense-I have no doubt Jedi bloodlines persisted in the old republic and perhaps even prior.

Remember the anti marriage rule wasn't only a prequel era thing-but when it was in practice the idea was to prevent what Vergere said-that being Jedi dynasties which the skywalkers or skysolos are.

And yes she considers them a bad thing, she does acknowledge their existence.

 

Maybe I'm misremembering... could you quote it?

 

I just hate them cause I'm French.