ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) In Episode IX

It'd have been nice if TLJ had let him do that before he died.

 

Interesting, but Han and Leia only split up when Kylo turned, so Rey is too old to have been conceived after Han left.

I think she may have been hidden for some important reason though. It would be much more satisfying watching the trilogy if this is the case.

TLJ would be much easier to swallow if Luke was still alive at the end of the film, and died in TRoS. So he still had a chance to redeem himself in life.
I think Rian Johnson thought it would be more powerful to have him die as a result of saving the day and inspire the galaxy. It is what it is.

That is of course unless they go with the scenario where "rise" refers to Luke raising from the dead.
I doubt they will though, but you never know.

 

Yeah Luke dying at the end of TLJ felt like a pointless "swerve" on Rian's part.

 

For me, with a character like Luke, who will obviously be back after death, it seems a bit irrelevant if he's alive or dead when he teaches Rey or redeems himself or whatever. It's like when Obi-Wan finally revealed the truth to Luke in ROTJ, I didn't find myself thinking, "Well, too late! You're dead, you should have told him this while you were alive!" The whole point of Jedi being able to come back is that they're NOT really dead, at least not in the way we normally think of death.​

 

The thing is, after this, expecting me to believe that Luke became a cynical loser after his own nephew became the new Vader essentially, is too much to accept imo.

Why should I bother to rewatch the box set of the OT, both of them in fact, if they mean nothing in the end? Simple question I think?

 

It's not really a simple question. At all. Does a victory undone by the later reemergence of conflict make the victory truly hollow? Does the fact that his fathers soul was saved by him not matter anymore? What about the souls who lived in the peace that was heralded in by that victory - the moments of love, happiness, comfort and security that they wouldn't otherwise have had without the victory. These are actually incredibly complex questions.

 

I like to think that Luke didn't die in TLJ, but he transcended into something more than a force ghost.

 

If it`s the exact same conflict and somehow your side is worse off then the first time, pretty much, yeah. Might have just continued under the old Empire then.

It wasn`t even one generation that had peace. Basically it was a brief interlude between Empire and Empire. That wasn`t even effective in any way. The old Republic at least had some mileage on it before it collapsed. So moments of happiness in that brief interlude just seem cruel in retrospect. Like giving the illusion you have won something and then have it rather quickly taken away. If that had not happened, I can`t say it would be a big loss then.

 

I think even as a force ghost, one scene with him, could come at a pivotal point in the movie.

 

For me it's simple.

-Is Luke's victory undone by a different kind of conflict moving forward? No, no it is not.

-Is Luke's victory undone by what we find out in TFA and TLJ, oh Hell yes it is!!!!!

 

Truly one with the Force ?

Yeah, I’d watch that.

 

30 years of peace, where someone can be born and live a significant portion of their life free from the rule of an authoritarian Empire is not nothing, and is certainly not 'cruel'. Those who will now not die at the hands of the Empire and instead are given opportunities that they wouldn't have had is not nothing. Billions of lives and billions of moments improved, or that would never have been given an opportunity.

 

My personal unpopular opinion is The Rise of Skywalker is referring to Finn. There were just too many nuanced parallels between his character in the Force Awakens and Luke. It's a challenge to be inspired by the character of Rey being the Savior when she's always been the savior and hasn't earned anything she has accomplished so far. We haven't seen Rey struggle or witness her unrelenting dedication to mastering the Force - out of the box she was depicted as being more powerful than Kylo Ren which still hasn't been fully explained how that was even possible. I know it was briefly covered in one of the comics however it has yet to be explained in the Films.

Finn's character at this point seems completely useless to the overall plot of the Trilogy. What is his role exactly? He had a semi-significant Saber Duel which indicated to me that he has some force sensitivity especially since he landed a nice shot similar to Luke in ESB. It would make sense for him to be the character who "Rises" and learns of his Skywalker lineage (Son of Luke) and defeats Kylo Ren to avenge his near death encounter of their last duel. Witnessing Rey Defeat Kylo Ren again wouldn't be anything significant because we've already seen that. Where would the tension really be for the audience during their duel when it would be a foregone conclusion that Rey will prevail if they continue the route of her being the savior. Having Finn save her on the other-hand after Kylo defeats her would be a surprising and best of all there will be palpable tension and a big pay off if Finn manages to defeat him.

When I've shared this theory with my Black Starwars friends they told me that I'm crazy and they would never allow a Black guy to be the savior in Starwars. This is the very reason why I think it's probable because it's not something that is being anticipated or expected.

 

I am not expecting Luke to return in TROS. In the same way I am expecting the whole Palpatine thing to be way less significant than what early hype might suggest.

I would not be surprissed if what we see is ghost Palpatine being revealed as the key to Kylo's arc in the movie. And, during the final battle between Kylo and Rey, in the same way Palpatine is fuelling the conflict, Luke appears to guide the cvombat to where it needs to go.

 

Watching that scene just emphasizes how much RJ really didn't understand the real mythos of Star Wars, to not have a scene between father and son was really naïve. Even if it was just briefly following Yoda or may be just before, either way having Luke cut himself off from his father after everything that happened makes zero sense.

 

Thirty years is a flash in the pan and for that person born and raised in that period of peace, they now have to deal with a conflict that never truly ended. Plus what is thirty years for those who can live for centuries? A few decades of peace in between years of cruelty and oppression is not really that great.

 

Due to the lack of world-building, what we have in those illustrious years of peace is stories of child slavery, children being kidnapped and brainwashed like Finn, poverty planets like Jakku, Rose said her colony was oppressed, Space Monte Carlo for the super rich, even Poe seems to have lived his life more or less "in the fight". The Republical capital got wiped out super-easy and the Empire, along with two darksiders was back in military strength with a super-mega-Death Star. Yup, the ST has given me a real success story of those in between years. Luke`s temple endeavour is basically a mini-version of that galactic failure.

 

30 years isn't a 'flash in the pan', nor are all the positives that wouldn't have otherwise occurred somehow meaningless. It's tragic for the population that they were thrown into conflict again, but to write off 30 years of peace and prosperity is to completely undermine what life is ultimately about - happy moments with the ones you love.

 

30 years is an entirely different generation, hence the ‘every generation has a legend’

 

All of those things happened during the previous peace that the Jedi oversaw as well. It doesn't mean that the positives that wouldn't have otherwise been had don't matter.

 

The previous era of peace lasted a thousand generations. And at least in the PT I saw some flourishing as well as the coming conflict. As it stands I think the PT generation screwed it up, then the OT generation tried to redeem it but they were losers so they didn`t really succeed so now the ST generation will redo it, just perfectly this time. Which is unfortunate because those are the characters I like the least so if I wanted to see anyone fail out of them all, it is them.

I guess I`m technically in-between generations with the OT and the ST but if I can choose, I`m going for OT-Luke then.

 

"Every generation has to confront Palpatine"

 

Thirty years is most definitely a flash in the pan in terms of time. If a person can live upwards of two, four or even eight centuries, three decades of peace isn’t something to write home about when the exact same conflict comes back into play. They had a millennium of peace and prosperity, now we’re taking a few decades of the same as a “win”. They weren’t even able to maintain the peace that they had brought about in their lifetime and had to watch it all fall apart as if their victory was pointless. Before anyone makes the analogy WWI to WWII, there were many factors leading to that and yet the side fighting for democracy wasn’t so thoroughly destroyed as we see now in the ST.

 

Roll it again

 

Palpatine is the physical manifestation of Satan in the SW saga. He represents evil. So its totally appropriate that every generation has to confront him.