ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) In Episode IX

All they have to do is have Ghost Luke and Rey talk in a scene together and briefly in their dialog, Rey mentions what "Master Yoda" or "Master Kenobi" might say, implying that she's met their spirits and they've guided her at some point between 8 and 9. We don't have to see it, just have Rey allude to it. That, coupled with seeing all the force ghosts looking on at the end is all you need to solidify that Rey was indeed trained a little by Luke, Yoda and Obi-Wan. Maybe even Anakin. Although they probably don't let him teach anyone anything lol.

 

It will just suck that she's been meeting with them all off screen only haha.

 

True. But hopefully she and Luke have some great scenes together. If they focus on that and do that just right, then I'm OK not seeing Rey talk to Yoda and Obi-Wan.

 

I think if Obi-Wan and Yoda appear it will be distracting. Rey knew neither of them. It should be Luke, since she trained under him. Usually, the Force Ghost is someone you know and respect. For instance, Qui-Gon appears to Yoda and Kenobi (his former apprentice).

 

Too many force ghosts will be silly IMO. That would really be Disney admitting they have nothing left and killed off too many important people.

Also, Luke spent the TLJ saying how the Jedi were filled with vanity, hubris, and overconfidence....then they decide to call all Jedi Skywalkers???

Not sure that makes sense.

 

I don't think Luke will return in the flesh. Why would he? He is beyond that now. A truly luminous being.

 

Story wise? Most likely not. But I believe JJ is fully aware of the controversy with TLJ Luke and will try to compensate it with several flashbacks with Luke and Leia, Luke and Ben, and moments in present time with Rey and Kylo.

My bet is at some point ghost Palpatine and ghost Luke will exchange some truths in front of both Kylo and Rey...

 

Just found this, as I'm still new to this part of the boards.

Not that you'd know it from the films but.....

• The war ends within a year of Endor.
• The Republic de-militarises as the Empire has surrendered and Mothma fears the legacy of the Clone Wars, which she has reason to.
  
• What follows is 23-4 years of peace - with the characters going on to answer the question what they would do with their lives when the Empire isn't around.
• Events of Bloodline seem to be 5-6 years before TFA, which is thought to be 30 years on. Before then, Republic was working fine - possibly too well, it started to be taken for granted, thus the politicians had the luxury of engaging in political games.

What isn't clear is to how much the First Order was active outside the Unknown Regions or if there were staying well-hidden. Brendol Hux's indoctrination system was clearly underway, but if the FO were only nabbing kids from UR worlds, then no one would know about it.
Similarly, the Republic is unaware an Imperial remnant has legged it to the UR and renamed themselves the FO.

Problem for the story in-between the films is TFA has an unstoppable galactic holocaust on five planets as it's opening gun! Thus that practically eclipses all that preceded it, even 20-odd years of peace and political success.

 

To return Luke from the Force is similar to returning buddhist from Nirvana. Why? I can see Luke's story as Jesus parallel but it won't work like "Luke is now living exactly like before"

 

They could do it like Babylon 5 series in which the protagonist was able to return for a limited amount of time and then he had to return to the netherworld.

 

so Luke projects himself from the Netherworld of the force?

 

I actually love this idea very much.

 

But you forget Luuke, Luke’s evil clone lurks about the galaxy.

 

It makes me sad to read that a Star Wars fan would think such a thing. I am genuinely sorry to have read this.

If there were concious setup for this, I could get behind it. I would say at least 60% of the leg work to should been completed before the opening crawl of IX for this to be of any value beyond just enjoying IX.

Far too little, far too late.

Just goes to show how little it would have taken to make all the difference in the world.

 

I don't even agree with the person you quoted, but this seems awfully judgemental of a fairly reasonable opinion. They didn't say that he didn't care if Luke died period. It was qualified by the fact that they essentially still exist alive as Force Ghosts.

 

Yeah. Like the knowledge can still be passed on and a contribution made from that netherworld. Same as Obi & Yoda, only Luke'll likely be more than that somehow, something new.

 

That would be a good idea imo. It would allow Luke to do something more powerful as a force ghost, without undoing his death. For those who have seen it, it would be similar to Dragonslayer, where the sorcerer sacrifices himself earlier in the film, then is temporarily brought back to help the protagonist in his moment of need, but only temporarily. That would work very well I think.

 

Why? Luke is still around. He's basically immortal. I was sorry when Han died because that's it for him, he's gone. Luke isn't.

 

I don't expect to see him in more then 2 cameos. One where he says what's in the teaser and the other at the end of the movie after the battle is over/victory celebrations with the other Force spirits.

 

I think 3 cameo's with him and Rey, him at the last fight and there at the end

 

Acknowledged. I don't see it that way at all, but I understand you do. To me, it makes all the difference in the world if Luke is alive to teach. The statement made me sad mostly due to its source/context. The same statement in the wild would be much easier to brush off.

I'm quite attached to Luke and if we had to see him go (which I understood going in would likely be part of the ST), it is a damn shame - to me - that we didn't have an opportunity to spend some time with the real Luke Skywalker, in the flesh, before hand. This cannot be explained away in some belabored attempt to re-contextualize TFA and TLJ.

I see a stark contrast between allowing Luke Skywalker to be fully realized post ROTJ, spend time and allowed to truly impart himself, in life, upon the next generation and what we were administered. I find the excuses for why he was relegated to be quite weak and indicative of a creative block and truncated development time which itself is indicative of apathy toward the character in general.

Kanan, I believe, received the sort of end of life arc which Luke should have received. I love Kanan and I'm glad his story is/was so strong, but it compounds the loss I feel in not having the opportunity to witness the new generation bond with our old hero in the classic journey/adventure sense.

 

we were told
TFA was built on who is Luke Skywalker? Movie never really answers the question
TLJ-answer to that was a suicidal Jedi who gave up on everything and anything

got the shaft simply because they didn't know how to write him in the story or involve him in the action without overtaking Rey. Same reason why we got another destroyed Order, another fallen Jedi and another exiled Master (but no plan) which reset TFA as ANH 2.0. Get him out of the way. Than you got RJ who was very keen on submersion of everything especially with Luke. And at the same time, JJ always seemed to be a huge Han Solo fanboy another reason why Luke is less involved in TFA.

Luke didn't really get along with Rey or teach her much of anything. But I guess those 3 lessons (more like 2) make Rey officially his last student.....not really buyable. And Rey seemed disgusted when finding out why Ben left and didn't want his help anymore and wasn't satisfied with his negative (non optimistic) teachings. So what exactly did Luke even pass down to the next gen? Seems more like a lesson of do the complete opposite of everything I do/say. Even the hand me down Skywalker saber he throws away like garbage and Rey stole the Jedi books too. In the end Luke ended up in a far extreme place than Yoda/Kenobi ever were. I mean Kenobi/Yoda were people who basically lived their whole lives in the Jedi Order from beginning to end and served the force from beginning to end. Luke doesn't even touch that stuff until 19 but when his Jedi Order attempt fails he gives up on everything.

IX-don't really expect much outside of force ghost in a few scenes and that's it. Trailer and everyone make it clear it's not his story nor his fight.

 

Ok, I can understand that. For me, it just doesn't make too much difference because the ghosts we see in SW don't seem much different from the living. When Yoda showed up in TLJ, I practically forgot that he even was a ghost. He seemed exactly the same as living Yoda. He was perfectly happy, and even able to interact physically with Luke. There really didn't appear to be any downside to it.
But yeah, if you were hoping to see Luke going on adventures and such, then I can certainly understand your disappointment. My original point was just that he can easily teach Rey, despite being a ghost, and his lessons won't be any less valid. As for him going on adventures, I feel that's what the OT was for. Would it have been nice to see him going on one in the ST? Sure. But there are three films already filled with that, so I'm okay with what we've got. And I'm still hoping that they do something interesting with FG Luke that they couldn't have done with living Luke.

 

Yoda looks to have been alive because Ach-To was very powerful place infused with the force. Like other planets we've seen throughout SW. Basically similar to Dagobah, Mortis etc.

heck I'll even argue that Han's bit about the force and Maz were better guides than Luke ever was.