ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) In Episode IX

Why not? Someone's got to take care of Palpy, while Rey is fighting Kylo.

 

Luke The White faces Palpatine of “Many Colors!”

 

have to say as a kid I always thought it sucked we never saw Luke fight Palps, even if I thought Luke would have lost that. As although he could surpass his father based on potential one day, he was still too young and inexperienced at that time.

lol Palps of many colors, which is so true as go throughout the PT and the guy wears so many different clothes of so many colors. So it fits double meaning.

 

I agree. I hope we get to see Luke and Palyps face off, at least in the spirit in Rise of Skywalker.

Now that you mention it, Palpys has many outfits with bright colors. He’s wardrobe can only be rivaled by Padme. Perhaps that’s the resl reason he wanted to turn Anakin! To get rid of his competition Padme, before Project Runeway: Coruscant,

 

This is where I think Rian dropped the ball a bit, because I think he could have used TLJ to continue the line from Han in TFA when he tells Rey and Finn "Those who knew him best think he went looking for the first Jedi Temple"

Straight away, this is an intriguing plot point. Why did he go there? What was he hoping to find? Was it so important that he would abandon his friends, and turn his back on what was happening in the galaxy, courtesy of his ex pupil, his own nephew?

I think that what could have been a superb story device would have been for Luke to find Jedi teachings that would enable him to pass in and out of the Force at will and interact with the living, and instead of being able to use the Force to see other places, he could use it to be other places, project himself as we saw.

Powers that he knew he had to stop Kylo reaching first. Some momentum to drive the story along.

This, to my mind would have been somewhat more satisfying than just leaving it to the audience to scratch their heads and wonder what is going on.

 

I saw it as trying to go back to the beginning before everything went wrong. In TLJ Luke doesn't think the Jedi way works - what happened made him lose faith in it. Going back to the origin of one's philosophy is a way to attempt to regain faith or recenter oneself - but so far it seems Luke didn't find anything that helped restore his faith and only grew more cynical. Though I wonder if there was more to his wanting to "end the Jedi."

 

"Rey this is your fight...and after you finish the fight hang back a bit because it's my time to rise baby!" - Luke Skywalker

 

Luke should come back from the dead, kill Kylo, kill Palps, singlehandedly defeat the FO, send a message at how awesome he is to the galaxy and then rebuild the Jedi. The End.

imagine the people find out that Luke came back from the dead, he'll be an even bigger icon.

Than he tells Rey that she should be glad to have been able to witness his might.
"See ya around, kid."

 

That would even get me to watch the movie.

 

I seriously think the ST should never have retreaded on the OT. It's bizarre to me how 2 trilogies in a row have so many similarities.....like a ton. To the point where the story seems to have barely progressed 30 years later. PT to OT huge amount of differences than you go OT to ST not as much.

instead of taking inspiration from more epic and mythology based Sagas like Middle Earth. Palps could have been your Sauron, Luke your Gandalf etc.

you could still have done a destroyed Jedi order (if you insist on that) but taken Luke in a different route than putting him on Dagaboh 2.0 because they don't know how to write him in the story. In the end when he does take an active role in the story he dies like few minutes later.

 

me too

Yeah it really wonders me that MCU is able to let non special force characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow perfectly work together with superpowers characters like Thor and some characters inbetween who use tools to be special like Iron Man. It all works there, but why did LFL have such problems or fear writing character with special powers?

 

think it goes back to TFA, when they said everytime they tried to write Luke in, he just overtook everyone especially Rey, lol.

I mean wait.......it's a bad thing if the older mentor takes over in the 1st movie when your protagonist should be at their weakest.......Now we'll get 3-4 fights between Rey and Kylo over the ST too. And there are ways for him to not take fully over too. Having Han in mentor role didn't help either.

that's why I'm interested in Rey's story in IX the most. As what they do with her in the final movie will be 100% relevant to Luke's legacy and if this ST even ever justified it's own existence, was it even necessary to begin with?

 

So like one writer Arndt had trouble making Rey work with Luke, and LFL assumes that if Arndt can't do it, no one can?

Weird. Shows a lack of leadership at LFL, IMO.

 

I find the lack of faith in Daisy Ridley's charisma to be able to share the screen with Luke "the Master" Skywalker, most disturbing!!!

And really there you have it, nobody on the production staff had the same faith George Lucas had in Mark Hamill to not be drowned out by Alec Guinness, not Arndt, not Kennedy, not even Abrams had faith in DR. That is a really sad condemnation of the people who made TFA, they cast someone they had zero faith they could command the screen with Mark Hamill, yet they allowed Harrison Ford to overawe DRs...but then HF was Abrams favourite character and HF was supposed to be a far bigger box office draw than MH.

They say they didn't want Luke to take over from the new characters Rey and Finn. But that is exactly what Han Solo does the second he and Chewie step aboard the Falcon and he utters the words "Chewie, we're home". Han relegates both Rey and Finn into becoming Han's sidekicks up to the moment Kylo drives a lightsaber through his heart and he falls to his apparent death, then they're allowed to reclaim centre stage.

If Abrams had made the OT, would it have been different? I think the evidence suggests that instead of the story revolving around Luke and Leia it would be revolve around Han. Han would've blown up DS1, Han would've taken down the walker on Hoth, Han would've rescued Luke and Leia from Jabba the Hutt... Han would've been the main character and not just the sceptical sidekick who comes good. We're now 3 films in, 2 for Abrams, so lets hope he's learnt from the mistakes of the past instead of destroying what should be learnt from.

 

Hamill said he came back because everyone came back to the ST including Ford and he didn't want to let fans down. Given what we ended up with, better had he never come back. He also said that Luke was supposed to have died in IX with Lucas and given how he disagreed with everything about Luke in VIII including that Jedis don't give up. Tells one that we would have gotten a different Luke. I'm wondering how a no name director like RJ can do whatever he wants with the story and characters and Lucasfilm is perfectly fine with that. Guy's too focus on subversion over anything else. I mean TLJ even contradicts TFA. Wonder had Hamill been Harrison Ford and he disagreed with things what would have happened? Looks like he had no say in anything.

speaking with people who are newer fans, gotta say people have a pretty negative opinion on ST Luke. Not a nice character and very negative etc. I mean people loved Kenobi in the OT and when they go back in the PT they still love him. What's Kenobi's only negative? he lied about Vader being his father but even that it wasn't the right time to tell him. Would people still feel the same about Luke going from ST to OT? 1 movie to go and Hamill doesn't seem to filmed much.

that JJ's back now and Luke is already dead doesn't make me expect much. The same JJ who said that he one thing that made him took TFA is who is Luke? But the movie was way more focused on Han. I mean why is the guy with no Force the old mentor role in a Force Saga? Also interesting to note that the Luke we got in TLJ could have been different had JJ not done Mute Luke.

 

yes and what can IX do now to fix our feeling towards Luke? It is now the story of the new guys, so no time and place for Luke to return from the Netherworld and do something incredible. To be honest I expect more something like Rey dies in this movie and returns from the dead because she can just do it.

 

“ Rey I know that I was supposed to pass the torch to you but I’m gonna need you to give it back. I’ve got a galaxy to inspire.”

 

I just think it's bizarre that they think having E7 being focused on Luke's Jedi and his relationship with Rey and Ben wouldn't have been an interesting way to explore them all.

Is it too obvious? Who cares?

The most obvious approaches are usually the best. That means they fit with the story well.

But yes, this idea that Padawan Rey couldn't have been interesting paired with Master Luke is truly bizarre, IMO.

Was Kenobi boring because of Qui-Gon? Or vice versa?

 

I think it's also even harder given the - interactions between Luke and Rey.

Luke in IX
Luke: "Rey you were right about me. Tell Ben...you were right."
Rey: "Uh why would I?"
Luke: "Dunno, rehashing plot and quotes, you know. I mean be reasonable, you don't find it weird that we're going back to Tatooine, Endor, Death Star II, barge, desert planets. Even the freaking Emperor is back, you seem to be playing my role while Ben is playing dear old dad's role. Did you enjoy seeing my story through those forcebacks? Heck who am I to complain when this story has a message about how I'm so awesome and naming the new Order after me. Who knew that being a quitter and projecting oneself while doing no damage whatsoever enhances your legacy. Sweet it's like early Netherworld Christmas..........oh by the way don't forget to build that statue of me in front of the new Order."

 

They (JJ, KK, RJ and LFL) said we know what we're doing, we don't need older characters like Luke and Leia driving the story forward, it's all about the new characters now.

Well Mrs Kennedy, Mr Abrams, Mr Johnson, you didn't know what you were doing otherwise the cinematic franchise wouldn't be put on hold after 5 films. The damage done to the franchise just so a fresh director could make "his own version of Star Wars" is that there will be no films until the middle of the next decade, yes I said the next decade.

Disney's grand plan of a Star Wars film every twelve months is over after only four years, the money Disney ploughed into the purchase of the franchise of which I've no doubt the inclusion of the characters of Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia were equal if not more prominent than that of Han Solo. The fact that Luke and Leia merchandise still manages to outsell that of Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo has to tell LFL and Disney something...hell, Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Chewbacca merchandise outsells that of Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo!!!

I only hope that in this final chapter, Luke can find a genuine peace, there is no way Luke wouldn't have regrets about how Rey and Crait went. This is something the Luke we know would be haunted by and the only real way would be for him to do something that makes things right. Let Rey destroy the Emperor, but have Luke be the one to find a soul locked away in Kylo now Leia won't be doing that. Though it seems Rey will do everything, she'll rebuild the Resistance along with Anakin's lightsaber, she'll destroy Palpatine once and for all and she'll bring back Ben Solo. Just comparing that to ROTJ and what would it have meant... Luke rescuing Han, fighting Vader, killing the Emperor himself, leading the Rebel fleet instead of Lando and blowing up the shield generator on Endor...

 

This thread just goes to show there's no pleasing SW fans. Bring Luke back? You've ruined the ST. Don't bring Luke back? You've ruined the ST and the OT.

Hey, I have a radical new idea: let's all just watch the @#$%ing movie before passing judgment. I highly doubt they'll bring him back, but I wouldn't rule it out completely either. As with any story choice, it's all in the execution.

Same goes for Kylo's potential redemption -- another thing that's going to anger many fans no matter what they choose.

 

some of us have been told to wait to watch for the movies for 5 years now. We were told that for TFA, that for TLJ and now......I mean even when the entire plot to TFA leaked we were still told to watch the movie before judging.And a good amount for TLJ too....

ST was ruined once they retreaded on the OT instead of new grounds and TLJ contradicts TFA. If one hates Luke in the ST than it's a by default that it ruins the OT for them, because it's his future.

truth to be told given the insistence that it's not Luke's story or fight. I don't expect much for Luke in IX. And I would be very surprised if they do something that makes up for TFA and TLJ. I expect at best a semi-redemption scenario.

And I'm glad you like Luke in the ST.Wish I could say the same.

 

Yeah, people said it was wrong to judge Luke off of how he was portrayed in the trailers for TLJ, but it turns out the trailers were exactly right.

By the way, why does it bother people that many SW fans critique what they dislike? Lucas was a non-conformist so I've never understood this demand for conformity in the fandom.

 

I don't think anyone wants conformity. I think people would just like the positives to be focused upon more. If you're going to invoke Lucas this is a franchise that teaches to focus upon the positives.

 

There have to be positives to focus on though -- Lucas is not the kind of person who believes in being positive for the sake of it.

That's when being positive becomes a conformist ideology, not a pragmatic way of perceiving reality.

I strive to be a realist, and realism annoys negative and positive people alike.

Realists can seem negative depending upon the context. If the context is garbage, then a realist doesn't say nice things just because it makes others happy.

My view of the PT seems balanced simply because it has a lot of equal good and bad there. Great ideas, often poor execution.

The ST to me is the exact opposite: lots of solid execution, poor ideas.

The entire approach to Luke, for example, was a poor idea based on Arndt's inability to perceive Rey as interesting when juxtaposed with Luke. That assumption is so obviously mistaken I'm shocked that LFL seems to have just gone along with it.

Luke essentially had to be destroyed in order for JJ and Rian to raise Rey up, and it's just needless and unfortunate.