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PT Who was more powerful yoda or darth sidious????

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by deadly jp, Jul 28, 2014.

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who was the true winner of the duek yoda or darth sidious?

  1. Yoda

    37.4%
  2. Darth Sidious

    67.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    PHIERY - I always like reading your wild ideas! I never, ever agree with them, but I find them interesting and entertaining!
    That said, I always like discussing them as well, so... :)

    Dooku resorts to a cheap trick to escape. Yoda clearly had the upper hand.

    So, "good always conquers evil", therefore the Sith are good and the Jedi evil? Hate to break it to you, but Revenge of the Sith is just half-way through the story. At the end (well, the end until next month anyway :p ), in Return of the Jedi, the Jedi conquer the Sith.

    Yoda could defeat Dooku. He was about to, which is why Dooku escapes. And Sidious tried to escape before their fight. "If so powerful you are, why leave?". Sidious managed to win, but it was a close one.

    OK, here I actually agree with you - I also believe Palpatine faked being beaten by Windu.

    As far as I know, Grievous killed a few Jedi in battle. In fact, the only one I can remember him killing onscreen is Nahdar Vebb (a newly appointed knight) in Lair of Grievous. And he used a gun to do so. It is implied that he killed more, but I don't think we know how many. And as far as canon goes, the incident with the Force crush never took place. Unfortunately, the micro series is not canon.
    And Obi-Wan already defeated Grievous before Grievous escaped. Obi-Wan chased him down before defeating him again.
     
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  2. Slicer87

    Slicer87 Jedi Master star 4

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    Sids was more powerful, Yoda even refers to this in ROTJ as he warns Luke not to underestmate his power.
     
  3. PHIERY

    PHIERY Jedi Master star 2

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    Thankyou Tiger, I'm glad you find them interesting and entertaining. I don't expect most people to agree with my posts. I would be a little worried if they did :p. I get a little baffled, and I feel sorry for those who are offended by my beliefs of The Star Wars Universe. Imagine how fun it would be if everyone agreed and 'liked' everyone's posts. People having a difference of opinion is vital to the longevity of any discussion/forum. For most part, I like to believe my posts bring out the best in people. To see and feel the passion from other peoples posts about SW flowing into real life, from a personal level, shows me how good and decent you guys are. (please don't tell anyone I said all this :p).


    Now back to business.
    Technically it was the Sith who conquered the Sith. So it was the case of good conquering good to bring balance to the force.
    Btw, "in Return of the Jedi, the Jedi conquer the Sith" ***SPOILER ALERT*** :p
    For me, it was a little hard to pick who had the upper hand between Dooku and Yoda. Also Dooku could have killed Yoda, when Yoda was using all his power and concentration to save Obi-Wan and Anakin from the falling debris.
    Sidious should have killed Yoda very early, when Yoda was hit by lightning laying face down unable to defend himself. Sidious realised he made a mistake and didn't want it to come back and bite him. Remember, Maul made the same mistake and paid for it. As did Dooku.

    I thought the Micro Series was canon (my bad).
    Yeah Obi-Wan did have Grievous' measure. It was still a cheap shot though :p. To use the force against a non force user [face_shame_on_you]
     
  4. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Force Ghost star 4

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    I get a feeling that they're equals but the shroud of the dark side gives Sidious an edge in the direct confrontation.
     
  5. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    Palpating--barely. He won.
     
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  6. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Minor addendum to a common "Sidious is stronger" argument -

    Yoda did not run from Sidious. He ran from Sidious and the doubtlessly approaching clones who, together with Sidious, would inevitably overpower him and kill him. Try holding off Force Lightning from the most powerful Sith Lord in history AND blaster fire from a group of clones at the same time
    Time was an often forgotten factor in that duel and by the end, it was something Yoda simply did not have enough of

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  7. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    As far as the duel goes, it was a clear tie. Yoda wasn't beaten, he simply left.
     
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  8. PHIERY

    PHIERY Jedi Master star 2

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    As a Sith lord, instead of running, Palps should've fought and hold off 4 Jedi Masters including Mace Windu who all had lightsabres and the force as their ally, and are trained to kill the Sith, while there's a 5th Jedi (the chosen one, created to destroy the Sith) on his way.
    Oh wait a moment..... Palps did this and won against impossibly ridiculous odds.
    For Yoda to run away in the biggest fight in Jedi history, well, I don't need to say any more.
     
  9. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yoda was the superior martial artist. Sidious was more powerful as a Force-wielder.
     
  10. Master Jedi Macen Arren

    Master Jedi Macen Arren Jedi Master star 2

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    I think Yoda was a better swordsman, he did after all disarm Sidious during the fight. As for knowledge of the force I think Sidious had the edge. As for the fight Yoda knew that situation and environment had beaten him, without his lightsaber he could not hold off Sidious and the clone troopers nearby. Yoda knew that trying to get back up to Sidious that Sidious would just keep throwing pods at him, and even if he could dodge the pods like before as soon as he got close enough to Sidious that he would just blast him with lightning again, resulting in the same outcome.
    Also Yoda may have been thinking that the Jedi could potentially be wiped out for good, especially not knowing the outcome of Obi-Wan vs Vader. Maybe his decision to flee wasn't a "I can't beat this guy I better get out of here" but more of a "If myself and Obi-Wan die then the Jedi will be extinct, and there will be no hope for the future".
     
  11. PHIERY

    PHIERY Jedi Master star 2

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    I don't see anywhere in the fight that Yoda disarms Sidious? Sidious gained advantage of the environment by winning the lightsabre battle, e.g. Sidious and yoda were also fighting for who could have the advantage of the high ground. They both started on equal ground, therefore Sidious was by far the more superior in sabre combat. Yoda was not strong enough to gain the high ground, or to even get back to level ground. Yoda was in the position he was, because he was no match for Sidious. Sidious had already let Yoda up earlier in their fight when he should've killed him. Sidious wasn't going to make the same mistake again.
    Also Yoda did not know if any Clones were on their way. Besides, the Sith always fight the Jedi by themselves. It's always the Jedi who need to bring extra help tofight 1 Sith Lord.
    Yoda ran from a fair fight he was about to be killed in. Sidious is by far the more superior of the 2.
     
  12. Master Jedi Macen Arren

    Master Jedi Macen Arren Jedi Master star 2

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    It's in the script but not in the scene. Yoda did get back up to Sidious even when Sidious was throwing pods at him left, right and center. The clones appeared as Yoda was trying to escape, they even tell Sidious that they can't find Yoda they're then told to double there efforts, Yoda could easily have sensed them. Just like he sensed the fact that the clones had turned on the Jedi during Order66 and that 2 of them where about to sneak up on him and kill him.
     
  13. PHIERY

    PHIERY Jedi Master star 2

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    Yoda had already started to run away from Palps before the Clones had arrived. Even if yoda knew a couple of clones were coming, why not stay and fight? Palps manages to defeat and kill the more formidable 4 Jedi masters at the same time. Although, I really don't think Palps is the kind of fighter who would ask his troops to intervene in his battle. The Sith have proven themselves to be noble warriors. Whereas the Jedi require multiple fighters, to take on a Sith.
    When Yoda ran, Sidious knew there wasn't much hope in finding him. Yoda is small enough to fit into all ventilations etc. Palps gets the Clones to search for Yoda, because he sensed Vader was in trouble. At this stage, getting to Vader was more important than finding Yoda (the needle in a haystack).
     
  14. TuskenTourniquet

    TuskenTourniquet Jedi Knight star 1

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    Sidious and it's not even close. Sidious played the Jedis right in front of their face for a decade and they weren't able to figure it out. Clearly, he was able to block or overpower their sense of the force.
     
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  15. goofy79

    goofy79 Jedi Youngling

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    There has still been no convincing explanation based purely off the movies as to how anything other than chance allowed sidious to survive yoda.

    1/Sidious trys to run away
    2/ He states anakin will become more powerful than either of us suggesting he believes they are equals or close to it, why not say he will be more powerful than even myself.?
    3/ Yoda disarms him( his disarming Yoda purely because the need for yoda to finish the fight in set amount of time leads him to risk the attack on high ground/ enclosed space)
    4/ Yoda overcoming the force push on the pod and gravity to redirect at sidious who cant push it back and has to jump. Leading to Yoda overcoming the high ground advantage of sidious. Anakin arguably more power than Obi-wan subsequently loosing 3 limbs in an almost identical set of circumstances.
    5/Yoda holding then momentarily pushing forward against Sidious lighting at point blank, the faces give it away its clear who won.
    It was luck and yoda having to go on the attack, Sidious is the boxer playing for a draw hence he ran,hence he escaped to high ground this is an easier tactic and this circumstance is exceptionally weighted against Yoda. Its rather similarly explains anakins loss.

    I agree it speaks poorly of Yoda that he failed to detect the presence of Palpatine for so long, equally Sidious failed to detect Luke presence on Endor and the ultimate failing of not sensing Darth Vaders betrayal or being capable of countering it.

    Yoda was more powerful on an equal playing field topographically, circumstantially( both need a win not just yoda sidoius is happy with a draw), idealogically ( Yoda always prefers to avoid killing, sidoious revels in it) and that final luxury time how long did Yoda have before the whole army turned up.

    Legacy wise Sidious held power for a mere 20 years vs 1000 years for the Jedi, he died in failure Yoda lived on as a force ghost after directly influencing the outcome via training the skywalkers.

    Yoda lost the battle but won the war, and he could have won the battle as per above. If we give him a slight bit more youth perhaps 200 years i feel its overkill.!!
     
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  16. Deliveranze

    Deliveranze Force Ghost star 6

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    In my opinion, I think it's a stalemate. Both are very powerful but it wasn't in Yoda's destiny to defeat Sidious. One wasn't necessarily better than the other but their fates weren't intertwined with each other. Either way both were powerful in their respective sides.
     
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  17. TESB

    TESB Jedi Knight

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    I'd say they are equals in their respective fields, but would give the slight edge to Yoda.
     
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  18. Rossini18

    Rossini18 Jedi Knight

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    Yoda's "size matters" comment is not a hard and fast rule for every situation- it was a valid statement made to get Luke to realize that he was letting things that weren't important in that moment get in his way. I completely agree with you on your second point- we deserved to see how their duel in the Chancellor's Podium ended and really how their duel in the office officially progressed into the Chancellor's Podium although I don't mind that as much.
     
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  19. Rossini18

    Rossini18 Jedi Knight

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    Yoda gained a slight edge in their lightning battle- Palpatine was fearing for his life as Yoda sent him reeling backwards with the act of redirecting his lightning back onto him. He was absorbing Palpatine's lightning into a ball of Force energy to throw at Palpatine but before he could the ball of energy exploded and blasted them both back. Palpatine's size helped him gain an advantage while Yoda was thrown off balance and eventually fell to the ground.
     
  20. Frisco

    Frisco Jedi Knight star 2

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    What an interesting topic! The answer can only be, as I see it ... Darth Sidious.
    But I am glad that it's open to interpretation, as it probably should be ...

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  21. WayoftheJedi

    WayoftheJedi Jedi Padawan star 2

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    Darth Sidious was stronger obviously.Only master Windu could defeat him. I guess whenever Sidious saw himself in a mirror he thought of how he barely escaped him and shivered.
     
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  22. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #1 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    But Yoda has been stated to be superior to Mace. Therefore, Yoda > Mace > Sidious
     
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  23. WayoftheJedi

    WayoftheJedi Jedi Padawan star 2

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    Was it in the movies?
     
  24. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #1 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    Pretty sure it was George who said both things. I KNOW Nick Gillard and SLJ both stated that Yoda > Mace in the BTS of the prequels.
     
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  25. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Mace is a specialist - he's great with one fighting style. Which is extremely good vs Sith. Yoda is a generalist - he's very good, but not great, at all styles.

    I could see Yoda being able to beat Mace, but not able to beat Palpatine. It's a circle - Mace beats Palpatine, Palpatine beats Yoda, Yoda beats Mace.
     
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