ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

I think it's Ben

 

I won't lie, I first thought it was a montage made by some Reylo, but several people comment that they heard it in the actual movie.

Sounds like Rey's voice? That could be a key to understand her weird behaviour in TLJ.

 

it is in the original cut of the film... There is also a woman's voice calling Rey when she is in the forest before Kylo captures her. It's not Leia's voice.. lol, but there is a woman's voice in TLJ also in the cave scene.

But JJ started it so what does it mean? Is the force's voice that of a female?

 

What do you mean by the "original cut"? It's not in the final version? Because in this case, sorry but it's not important.

 

I just meant TFA.. unaltered by any fan

"From the very beginning we sort of settled on very quickly that we wanted the girl, Rey, to be a scavenger. We always wanted her to be the ultimate outsider and the ultimate disenfranchised person, because that person has the longest journey..

Kira was NO ONE's SISTER... She was Always ALONE....................There might be children of the Solo's and or Luke but Kira was NOT one of those children

Rey Was a Hothead Loner Named Kira
Rey’s original name was Kira and while its not specifically stated, her early concept designs looked like they were modeled after Kristen Stewart. Screenwriter Michael Arndt described Kira as a “loner, hothead, gear-head, badass,”
https://www.slashfilm.com/force-awakens-changes/


In the early versions of the story, Rey worked in a used car lot of sorts for an elderly father figure, an old Republic pilot. The Millennium Falcon was among the ships on the lot. Watching ships come and go every day, she would daydream about leaving the junk planet and exploring the galaxy.

Here she is JUNKY KIRA....


From the early versions she was an orphan living with an elderly father figure ( not the SOLO's)
a loner.

“Early on I tried to write versions of the story where [Rey] is at home, her home is destroyed, and then she goes on the road and meets Luke. And then she goes and kicks the bad guy’s ass,” Arndt said (via EW). “It just never worked and I struggled with this. This was back in 2012.” Apparently the issue was Luke’s presence was always upstaging everyone in the script. “It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over,” Arndt continued. “Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f–k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’”

https://www.indiewire.com/2015/12/m...wakens-a-much-larger-role-for-redacted-95887/


EW also says there were other big plot ideas dropped: “a search for Darth Vader’s remains, or a quest to the underwater wreckage of the second Death Star to recover a key piece of history about sacred Jedi sites in the galaxy.”

 

To be honest, Rey who hears herself saying "It's Ben" seems like more food for the ReySolo theorists. For me, it just reinforces my feelings that they are "Force siblings", connected thanks to the will of the Force even if they don't share the same blood.

And frankly, all these discussions about what Rey was supposed to be when Lucas worked on the story, or even when JJ first worked on it feel like pissing in a river.

 

Doug Chiang: "We kinda knew roughly that there will be an introduction of a new character that's living on this planet. We didn't know the backstory. (11:49)

J. J. Abrams: “First of all I want to say…go Asians! I mean I think the whole room feels that way. Here’s the thing: I am not casting the movies that are coming up, but if I were to I would cast them as only Asian. I think you’ll be happy to see when you see this film [that] there are Asians in this film. I was involved in the casting of this movie. You know but honestly—the truth is—we didn’t write the character of Finn to be any color, we didn’t write the character of Rey to be any color, we just cast this movie knowing that it was important that we—we wanted the movie to look the way that the world looks and I think it’s important that people see themselves represented in film. I think it’s not a small thing. So I completely understand and think your question is hugely important and it was a big consideration but I’m really proud of the cast we ended up with.” (San Diego Comic Con 2015 panel)

 

Listinening to POST TFA interview with Michael Arndt.. the very early backstory was that the student that turned against Luke and killed his students was the thing that broke up the OT3

 

It's definitely in the movie - that vid just turned up the sound so you can hear it better. It's Ben that needs to come back - back from the dark - In TFA Leia and Han wanted their son to come back home.

 

The more I read from Ardnt, Abrams and the rest, the more I see why the ST is the god awful mess that it is.

 

May I ask What's Ben? Is it implied she sees him? Tks

 

How come it has not been discussed before? I mean it's huge, and JJ obviously wanted most of the audience not to pay attention to it, which means there's something big behind it. So Rey sees visions of Kylo and the KoR, then foresees her fight in the snow with him, and when Maz tells her about someone who can come back she hears a voice (which sounds very much like Rey's) that says "it's Ben" while we are lead by Maz to think it's about Luke; all this while she never met the guy and has never heard of him before; she doesn't even know about Kylo, even less of Ben Solo.

It's very intriguing and hopefully JJ will resolve this mystery in TROS! I'm sure the ReySolo theorists will see that as a sign that's she's Ben's sister, but i have no souvenir that Leia and Luke had visions of each other's past, or were even aware of each other before they met. It's also not a sign of romantic connection. Nah, Kylo/Rey is.... something else.

 

It’s Luke:



And grammatically, Maz was telling Rey that Luke could still come back to her.

Rey also hears a woman’s scream coming from the cave.

And a child’s scream.

Luke hears that same woman’s scream when he reads Ben’s mind in the flashback.

I love close parsing of text. Let’s just not be so selective about it.

 

Reylo's discussed this endlessly years ago. Old News.

How do we know that it is the same woman's screams?

Also, please don't miss the two lion roar's in Rey's first lesson, or the lioness growl during TFA interrogation scene.

 

I don't want to assume you're being sarcastic just in case you aren't, but since my point was that they look like Han and Leia's children, agreed on that.

They look alot like Han and Leia. Being white has nothing to do with being friendzoned (which Finn wasn't). The point is that early concept art proves nothing. You pick one sketch and claim repeatedly that it proves Rey isn't a Skywalker, when it does no such thing. This piece right here clearly indicates that concept art is a brainstorm and things change. Unless you think Finn is a Solo?

I absolutely think they are meant to look like siblings in that drawing. Sam split into Finn and Kylo(who merged with Jedi Killer). So what happened to the other one of Anakin's grandchildren?

I love that quotation from Carrie. It's so on the nose. IIRC, that's the same panel where CF called Rey "forgiving" which got latched onto by Reylos. But really, what would Leia need Rey to forgive her for?

I don't get it. You say one thing and then draw a conclusion that's completely unrelated and yell it at us to boot. Ultimate outsider and ultimate disenfranchised person? Huh, little girl who got separated from her family and grew up in a harsh situation sure could fit that. She would have the longest journey to go to finding her family.
Nothing in that indicates she was no one's sister.
And Kristen Stewart? But I thought you swore Kira was mixed and needed proof there was any concept art of a white brunette labeled as such. Did I imagine that?
Elderly father figure? Again, proves nothing. Maybe Lor San Tekka was watching over her. Maybe Platt wasn't an alien. Interesting that she was always with the Falcon though.
Pictures that prove...Kira is Rey, okay?
Again with the father figure. And orphan. And loner. None of that disproves Rey Related. And fwiw, Luke and Leia were both technically orphans until their surprise dead daddy showed up. And if "orphan" actually came from a source and isn't just your addition, it only goes to show that at some point, they decided to have Rey waiting for her family.
And again, I have no clue what your point is. That she lived in the village that got destroyed at one point? Because we see her at home, and her hometown gets destroyed, and she goes on the road. She even meets Luke at the end.
TLDR: Early concepts change and your "proof" proves diddly squat.

I agree, but I occasionally feel the need to call out objectively false claims when I see them.

Well, according to canon, some "it" happened when Han and Leia sent Kylo to Luke, and drove Han and Leia apart at that time.

 

You refer to what Maz tells Rey. Yes, Maz refers to Luke. But the voice that Rey hears in her head is not Maz's. It clearly says "It's Ben".

 

Regarding the "It's Ben" audio, you could very easily make a case for "It's Ben" referring to who Rey needs to defeat using the saber. "It's Ben" is not heard when Maz is talking about someone coming back and it's also not heard when Rey is told that belonging she seeks is ahead of her.... "It's Ben" is heard when the saber (a weapon and a symbol of her destiny as the hero of this trilogy) is given to Rey, just as the music becomes very ominous, and right before she is first violently abducted by "Ben."

I'm not saying it means anything (or TBF I'm not even sure it's intentionally there), but I think it could be legitimately interpreted in any number ways, which makes it pretty meaningless ultimately.

 

I still think they're twins, icky hand touching scene aside.

 

They're ten years apart in age. Siblings, could be. Not twins.

 

right. lol

 

If it was said as a way to indicate who Rey was supposed to fight against, why the voice would tell "It's Ben"? Wouldn't it rather say "It's Kylo Ren"? And of course it was intentional. They wouldn't put a voice in Rey's head by mistake.

 

The ST seems to like making Leia suffer, so being in labor for 10 years between births wouldn't be out of the question.

 

The name he chose when he turned to the Dark Side is "Kylo Ren". Rey calls him "Kylo Ren" as long as she considers him as an enemy. It makes no sense whatsoever to call Rey's enemy "Ben" at this point of the ST, especially in a voice that's meant to be heard only by those who will carefully listen.