JCC Political ****posting Thread

Uranium mines were a popular destination for dissidents in Czechoslovakia.

 

If anything, they try to cage anyone attempting to leave (cough, cough, Berlin Wall, cough, cough).

 

Or shoot them.

 

Fake news! I'm a regular in Berlin, they don't have a wall, only ruins and little bronze plaques on the pavement!

 

Again though, that's not exactly unique nor inherent to communism. that and it had less to do with dissenters than espionage and sabotage, but I will just leave this on that front.

https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/wall.htm
https://gowans.blog/2009/10/25/democracy-east-germany-and-the-berlin-wall/

But yeah thank god the US and democracy don't do the exact same thing, thankfully that's inherent to communism on principle and totally not even more of a problem historically in capitalist regimes
https://dcc.newberry.org/collections/dissent-and-democracy-in-modern-american-history
http://www.justiceonline.org/fbi_files_ows
https://electronicintifada.net/blog...introduces-resolution-upholding-right-boycott

That last one is super recent, and let's not forget the arrests of those protesting ICE,the fact that police forces escalated force against protesters repeatedly particularly during any BLM protest, and so on.

I am just saying, pinning criminalizing dissent to communism as if that is a trait that the USSR owns, let alone the entirety of communism is misguided and ignores the fact that this is not anything specific or necessary within communist ideals, and has been the tool of democracy and capitalism for far longer and still persists.

If we are gonna pin criminalizing dissent on communism as an entire ideology, then we must do the same to capitalism, democracy, and so on. Or is this more about poorly thought our cheap shots at communism, conflating it with the worst traits of the USSR with no room for context or larger introspection how they are by other forms of government?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

Like does no one here remember that these same things the USSR did, McCarthyism was doing as well?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act_trials_of_Communist_Party_leaders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Gurley_Flynn

Or the demonizing and criminalization of the civil rights movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jimmie_Lee_Jackson

Look at Selma, the Red Scare, the Haymarket affair and so on and then say this is any more a communist trait than it is a democratic one? But hey I guess thinking that holding everyone accountable for a shared sin of governments worldwide makes me a tankie, is this what it is like to be you? @Lord Vivec

Like children are being locked up here and now, but nope lets make an overly-simplistic and overstated claim about the entire ideology of communism.

Oh and again again, pretty sizable number of those dissenters Stalin killed and caged up, were communists. Almost as if its less a communist trait and more of just a really messed up trait of political regimes across the spectrum....

thank god Jimmie Lee Jackson was not shot by Alabama state troopers for being a political dissenter. That would have made it so this was something more than just the USSR was responsible for.


end of the day, yeah communists are on principle against locking kids in cages, stalin and even the USSR as a whole don't speak for the entirety of communism.

 

Kojève: not even once.

 

I was actually referring to the cases where people were shot by border guards while trying to escape Czechoslovakia.

And lol @ "cheap shots at communism". You have no idea what living in Communist Bloc was like. It will take at least another generation (or two, or three) for my home country to completely recover from the 40 years of the totalitarian régime, for that kind of mentality to die out.

Edit: Also, that was way too much srsposting in the ****posting thread, I dare say...

 

Please stop pretending you speak for everyone with a personal connection to former Soviet bloc countries. The damage done to people and lives by capitalism in recent decades in my mother’s home country, from sex trafficking to anti-Roma pogroms and nationalism, to appalling poverty and drug addiction is boyond words; and you don’t get to tell us how to feel about it.

Back to ****posting:

 

Sorry for the broken image earlier, it’s a hell of a take from the economist:

 

The problem one runs into there is that dang near every government has authoritarian and totalitarian leanings of some form. So people will always associate an entire economic and governmental system with just those traits as if there are inherent. We just saw that earlier in this page, one cannot defend communism without someone leaping in to oversimplify it as being the worst traits of the USSR, and rightly one cannot defend capitalism without getting called out on how oppression IS inherent for a capitalist system to function.

So no one can really debate these issues, as in the west we are taught to totally buy into capitalist propaganda, telling us not only exaggerations about the Soviet bloc, but dodging the fact that these traits are indivisible from capitalism and liberalism. Its like how you cannot have a decent convo on the accountability over the famine at Holodomor, without nationalism inserting itself and people parroting flat-out Nazi lies that have been disproven since the 30s. Even with actual horrors occurring and actual accountability to be had, the west continues to treat the entirety of socialism and communism by not only the worst of specific regimes, but flat out lies about said regimes.

We can't have a fair conversation cause people can't let go of what McCarthy and literally Hitler told them. We have seen here people equating Marxism to very very very NOT Marxist actions simply cause cultural and historical illiteracy are encouraged. Its funny how people bring up biased textbooks, even though in capitalist nations our textbooks are just as biased and chalk full of lies, but are not state-sponsored but rather written by corporations.

History is inherently nothing more than a means for exploitation in capitalism. Doesnt mean it can't be exploited by any other type of system, but at least Marxism inherently values history via historical materialism. For all its flaws, leftism has them inundated by specific regimes, but for liberalism they aint an occasional bug, they're a feature.

But to the point, it is impossible to separate totalitarianism from the discussion as it has been displayed so blatantly by all regimes in some form, even when counter to the very political ideals of the regime. That and of course what one determines counts differs

 

y'all are ruining my thread

 

THANK YOU. Seriously half of what people complain about with any leftist ideology, are betrayals of leftist ideals. Doesnt make it ok, but it makes it a betrayal of leftism not an embodiment of it. Whereas with capitalism- exploitation and cruelty are the intent. I don't see how anyone can earnestly read Marxism and think it is pro-bigotry, or read Lenin and have that take away. Guess the whole anti-pogroms thing doesnt exist then


I would rather a system with a chance of breaking that is sparked by the people and given the means for said people to feel empowered and thus overthrown it if needed; than a system that sticks to a status quo of who is in charge. A classless society has far more hope inherent to it than one that maintains the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Almost like communism is a type of political ideology and not one singular regime at one singular moment in time.

 

All this despite the fact that communism was just a red herring.

 

Aww sorry, here have a meme

 

I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife.

 

Won't that make her boyfriend upset?

 

When Qui-Gon Jinn meets Sarah Palin:

 

It's good to see that you finally abandoned any pretense at 'looking at both sides' - not that anyone remotely believed you - and fully embraced the Proud Boys.

 

Am I allowed to say that pu-erh is my favorite tea?

 

Socialism is when the government does things